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Kakko has little value. He's a bust at this point. Fine as a depth player, but too limited offensively to be a valued player. The probability of him becoming "great" is low at this point given his age and games played. What he is now will be what he most likely always is.

Feb. 24 at 8:04 p.m.

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Quoting: jfkst1

Kakko has little value. He's a bust at this point. Fine as a depth player, but too limited offensively to be a valued player.

Lol bust = not an NHL player

Kakko is clearly an NHL player and a pretty good 3rd liner lol

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Feb. 24 at 8:04 p.m.

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Quoting: Rags21

Lol bust = not an NHL player

Kakko is clearly an NHL player and a pretty good 3rd liner lol

No bust is a 2nd overall pick that is a depth player. That's way below expectations.

Feb. 24 at 8:04 p.m.

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You’re talking about Kakko cooling down meanwhile Vatrano is the one who’s been on a heater all year and will regress lol

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Feb. 24 at 8:06 p.m.

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Quoting: jfkst1

No bust is a 2nd overall pick that is a depth player. That's way below expectations.

That’s called not meeting expectations. otherwise you’re just throwing the word bust around for a lot of NHL players lol

Feb. 24 at 8:10 p.m.

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Quoting: Rags21

That’s called not meeting expectations. otherwise you’re just throwing the word bust around for a lot of NHL players lol

32/32 NHL front offices are expecting a lot more than a solid 3rd line forward on the 2nd overall pick. Way below expectations = bust. Rangers have a lot of them with Andersson, Kravtsov, and Kakko. Hopefully Lafreniere will be joining the ranks but I'm willing to give him another year or two before calling that one.

Feb. 24 at 8:10 p.m.

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Pat Verbeek isn't retaining on Frank Vatrano when Detroit is one of the front runners for him and doesn't require retention.

Feb. 24 at 8:12 p.m.

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Quoting: jfkst1

Hate to tell you this, but not every single top 10 pick comes into the nhl and becomes 100 point scorer lol

Maybe you’re the one who should lower expectations? Besides good teams have players like Kakko on their team for playoff runs

Feb. 24 at 8:16 p.m.

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Quoting: Rags21

I consider about 50% of 1st rounders to be busts. Nature of drafting 18 year olds for a collision sport. There are cheap UFA 3rd line forwards available every off-season. Kakko isn't providing much value over his cap hit and if the draft were done over, there is less than 0% chance he would be taken at #2.

Feb. 24 at 8:22 p.m.

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Quoting: jfkst1

He provided about 40 points at 5v5 last year while continuing to have above average defensive metrics at age 22 all at $2.1m cap hit lol I don’t see how that’s a problem…

Not sure what 3rd liner you’d take over him right now? Considering you’re a Pens fan, you’d rather have Reilly smith? Bemstrom?

Feb. 24 at 8:28 p.m.

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Anaheim passes

We will trade those two separately for 2 2024 1st round picks

Feb. 24 at 8:35 p.m.

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Quoting: Rags21

I didn't say a problem just not great value for a #2 pick on what should be a good value contract. He's produced at 4th line rates in both 2022 and 2024 and even in 2023, he wasn't producing at great rates. A little above average. So there is nothing showing progression or promise beyond what he has shown now. And I'm quite confident if polled, most NHL players, front offices, and fans would identify him as a bust for a #2 pick.

Feb. 24 at 10:11 p.m.

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Quoting: GeneralLandro

Anaheim passes

We will trade those two separately for 2 2024 1st round picks

You're literally getting more value than that in this trade lmao

Feb. 24 at 10:12 p.m.

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You’re talking about Kakko cooling down meanwhile Vatrano is the one who’s been on a heater all year and will regress lol

Ikr I was gonna ask who exactly is being sold high here - Kakko or Vatrano?

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Feb. 24 at 10:24 p.m.

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Go to bed lol. Seriously lol

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Feb. 24 at 10:25 p.m.

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Remove Kakko & Berard for starters despite the overdramatic naysayers

Feb. 24 at 10:25 p.m.

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Go to bed lol. Seriously lol

Truth hurts. But it doesn't change.

Feb. 24 at 10:40 p.m.

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Truth hurts. But it doesn't change.

NYR are 28-7-2 with Kakko in the lineup. They are 11-9-1 without him in the lineup. He had 7 points in his past 9 games since being put on a line with Brodzinski & Cuylle.
It was a clean elbow.

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Feb. 24 at 10:43 p.m.

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