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Created by: fangm
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 4, 2024
Published: Mar. 4, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2025 4th round pick (NJD)
2.
TOR
  1. Bolduc, Samuel
  2. Dufour, William
  3. Nelson, Brock ($3,000,000 retained)
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Why does this make sense?

The Islanders get a 1st and a top prospect expected to be in the NHL next year. This helps them next year so this isn't some trade just for the future. It's a deal that gives them immediate benefits and long-term benefits.

Toronto gets a 2C they need for two playoffs and with the prospect pool thin instead of just dumping futures for 30y olds they downgrade their futures to role players that still fit their needs but don't have the high end potential Minten and a 1st have.
NYI
  1. Gregor, Noah
  2. Minten, Fraser
  3. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
3.
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$83,097,283$0$0$402,717
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$762,500$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$3,550,000$3,550,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000
G
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$687,500$687,500
RD
UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Mar. 4 at 1:40 a.m.
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Bad trade for the Islanders Nelson himself could get a better package Minten just isn’t that great of a prospect. With retainment he should fetch more not to mention adding Dufour and Bolduc doesn’t make sense at all
Mar. 4 at 2:00 a.m.
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Quoting: Hockeypal
Bad trade for the Islanders Nelson himself could get a better package Minten just isn’t that great of a prospect. With retainment he should fetch more not to mention adding Dufour and Bolduc doesn’t make sense at all


Minten is easily the best prospect in the Islanders system after this trade.

He was team Canada's captain at the world juniors. Before him in that role in order: Wright, McTavish, Byram, Cozens, Dach.

If he's 80% as good as any of those guys he is better than any prospects anyone would offer for Nelson 1 for 1.
Mar. 4 at 2:04 a.m.
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Quoting: fangm
Minten is easily the best prospect in the Islanders system after this trade.

He was team Canada's captain at the world juniors. Before him in that role in order: Wright, McTavish, Byram, Cozens, Dach.

If he's 80% as good as any of those guys he is better than any prospects anyone would offer for Nelson 1 for 1.


Minten was also one of if not the worst team Canada captain. You’re absolutely insane if you think he is even close to Nelson’s value. An elite 2nd line center 75 point 30 goal player fetches a way higher price than a point per game WHL player and a 1st.
Mar. 4 at 2:15 a.m.
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Quoting: Hockeypal
Minten was also one of if not the worst team Canada captain. You’re absolutely insane if you think he is even close to Nelson’s value. An elite 2nd line center 75 point 30 goal player fetches a way higher price than a point per game WHL player and a 1st.


I see where you are coming from but Nelson is 32. Nobody is paying that price. Not a knock on him but he's only passed 50 5v5 points once in his career so unless a team needs a PP1 guy (which no current contenders do) then he's a 40-45 point player for whoever is acquiring him. He's 47% on the draws so he's not going to be valued highly as a C.

For reference Max Domi has 3 5v5 points less than Nelson, 2% better on the draws and has played more than 240 minutes less than Nelson.

He crushes Nelson in every /60 5v5 offensive and defensive stat.

Would you pay a 1st and top prospect for Domi? Cause analytically he's a significantly better player.
Mar. 4 at 8:33 a.m.
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Quoting: fangm
Minten is easily the best prospect in the Islanders system after this trade.

He was team Canada's captain at the world juniors. Before him in that role in order: Wright, McTavish, Byram, Cozens, Dach.

If he's 80% as good as any of those guys he is better than any prospects anyone would offer for Nelson 1 for 1.


Have you seen the Isles' system? "Best prospect in the system" is a very low bar to clear.
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Mar. 4 at 11:56 a.m.
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I see where you are coming from but Nelson is 32. Nobody is paying that price. Not a knock on him but he's only passed 50 5v5 points once in his career so unless a team needs a PP1 guy (which no current contenders do) then he's a 40-45 point player for whoever is acquiring him. He's 47% on the draws so he's not going to be valued highly as a C.

For reference Max Domi has 3 5v5 points less than Nelson, 2% better on the draws and has played more than 240 minutes less than Nelson.

He crushes Nelson in every /60 5v5 offensive and defensive stat.

Would you pay a 1st and top prospect for Domi? Cause analytically he's a significantly better player.


He’s just not even close analytically to Nelson xGF, FF%, GF%, CF% this season. In the past 3 seasons Domi has a combined 6.5 xOFF while Nelson has 47.8 xOFF. OFF Domi has 24.5 in the last 3 seasons while Nelson has 35.8 never mention Domi as a comparison again they are not even close. Not to mention Nelson is better defensively in the past 3 seasons as well, better shooter, better play driver and better on the pp your argument is a fallacy. Nelson has been on pace for 50 even strength points 3 times in the past 5 seasons and Domi has only been on a 50 point even pace ONCE in his CAREER. Pasternak also finished higher in EV points than Mcdavid last year does that mean Pasta> Mcdavid absolutely not it means that powerplay is also valuable WOW.
 
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