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Redrafting Vegas

Created by: Matt1567
Team: 2023-24 Custom Team
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 14, 2024
Published: Apr. 14, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
My attempt at redrafting Vegas 7 years later to be the best team possible NOW.

This team met the expansion draft requirement, and is cap compliant now also.

To make the challenge a bit harder, every player selected has played at least one game of professional hockey this season, as a lot of the guys I chose made little to no money in 2017 thus making reaching the cap floor in 2017 a challenge, and being able to select retired players who made a lot in 2017 would make the challenge fairly easy.

I also put this team together assuming there were no side deals being done, and used capfriendly's expansion draft simulator to construct this roster.
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$79,466,666$0$0$4,033,334

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$2,750,000$2,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$5,900,000$5,900,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,125,000$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Seattle Kraken
$5,166,666$5,166,666
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$2,400,000$2,400,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$775,000$775,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$1,300,000$1,300,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
Nordstrom, Joakim
$775,000$775,000
Logo of the Seattle Kraken
$775,000$775,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$5,200,000$5,200,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Seattle Kraken
$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$3,800,000$3,800,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$1,850,000$1,850,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Taxi Squad
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$1,750,000$1,750,000 ($600,000$600K$600,000$600K)
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$1,200,000$1,200,000 ($50,000$50K$50,000$50K)
LD
UFA - 2
Burmistrov, Alexander
$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
Plekanec, Tomas
$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
Gelinas, Eric
$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
Jokipakka, Jyrki
$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
Marchenko, Alexey
$775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)

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Power Play 1
Jokipakka, J.
 
 
 
 

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Apr. 14 at 7:21 p.m.
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>> I also put this team together assuming there were no side deals being done,

If that's the case then you can't have Theodore. He was traded to Vegas, not selected in the expansion draft.
Apr. 14 at 7:35 p.m.
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>> I also put this team together assuming there were no side deals being done,

If that's the case then you can't have Theodore. He was traded to Vegas, not selected in the expansion draft.


While he was traded to Vegas, he was not protected for the expansion draft. My guess is that Anaheim chose to use him as a sweetener to convince Vegas to take Clayton Stoner's contract, and would've traded him had Vegas not agreed to take Stoner, that or they would've worked out a different way to protect him, potentially involving a different side deal with Vegas, but in theory Vegas could've selected Theodore, not Stoner, and broke their deal with Anaheim, screwing them over and ruining their GM's reputation on day one.

You could make the assumption that Theodore wouldn't have ended up in Vegas without a side deal, but I didn't and just selected the best player available, which was Theodore
Apr. 15 at 10:21 a.m.
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While he was traded to Vegas, he was not protected for the expansion draft. My guess is that Anaheim chose to use him as a sweetener to convince Vegas to take Clayton Stoner's contract, and would've traded him had Vegas not agreed to take Stoner, that or they would've worked out a different way to protect him, potentially involving a different side deal with Vegas, but in theory Vegas could've selected Theodore, not Stoner, and broke their deal with Anaheim, screwing them over and ruining their GM's reputation on day one.

You could make the assumption that Theodore wouldn't have ended up in Vegas without a side deal, but I didn't and just selected the best player available, which was Theodore


Theodore was exempt from the expansion draft. The Ducks traded him to Vegas so they would take Stoner as you said, but the two guys they were afraid to lose were Josh Manson and/or Sami Vatanen. Theodore was a side deal and your "rules" in the description was no side deals is all I'm saying. The Knights would have taken Manson in the draft.

This is one of the biggest bungles that Bob Murray ever did as a GM and is one of the primary reasons the Ducks are in the bottom feeder state they are in.
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Apr. 15 at 10:41 a.m.
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Theodore was exempt from the expansion draft. The Ducks traded him to Vegas so they would take Stoner as you said, but the two guys they were afraid to lose were Josh Manson and/or Sami Vatanen. Theodore was a side deal and your "rules" in the description was no side deals is all I'm saying. The Knights would have taken Manson in the draft.

This is one of the biggest bungles that Bob Murray ever did as a GM and is one of the primary reasons the Ducks are in the bottom feeder state they are in.


as per bleacher report "All pro players with two or fewer years of NHL experience and unsigned draft picks are protected, but don't count toward the team's final total.", and as of the expansion draft Theodore had played parts of 4 professional seasons, making him eligible to be selected, and since Anaheim chose not to protect him he was available for the taking. The Knight's couldn't have taken Manson, he was protected but as you said it was Mason and Vatanen the ducks were worried about, and Vatanen was left unprotected. Had there not been a side deal, Vatanen likely would've been a golden knight, but drafting the team 7 years later Theodore is the clear choice, and he was eligble to be selected due to his 4 partial professional seasons and being left unprotected, and I didn't make any assumptions that the protection lists would've been different had side deals not been agreed upon.
Apr. 15 at 12:12 p.m.
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as per bleacher report "All pro players with two or fewer years of NHL experience and unsigned draft picks are protected, but don't count toward the team's final total.", and as of the expansion draft Theodore had played parts of 4 professional seasons, making him eligible to be selected, and since Anaheim chose not to protect him he was available for the taking. The Knight's couldn't have taken Manson, he was protected but as you said it was Mason and Vatanen the ducks were worried about, and Vatanen was left unprotected. Had there not been a side deal, Vatanen likely would've been a golden knight, but drafting the team 7 years later Theodore is the clear choice, and he was eligble to be selected due to his 4 partial professional seasons and being left unprotected, and I didn't make any assumptions that the protection lists would've been different had side deals not been agreed upon.


Mason was not protected and Theodore was not available:

https://www.nhl.com/news/protected-list-for-vegas-golden-knights-nhl-expansion-draft-289972722

From that article...

All first- and second-year professionals are exempt from selection, as are unsigned draft choices.

The source you quoted calling these guys "protected but not counting towards the team's total" is really strange wording. Much easier to call them exempt, which is what they were. Theodore played 19 games in 15/16 and 34 games in 16/17 for the Ducks prior to the draft. The two seasons he played less than 10 games in the AHL didn't count as his contract slid in those.

An additional part of Murray's bungle here was giving Bieksa, who was washed as a player at that point, a full NMC. All players with such clauses required protecting and that meant the Ducks protected Fowler, Lindholm and Bieksa. Protecting Manson instead of Bieksa would have been an alternate way around trading Theodore but that was not an option.
Apr. 15 at 12:15 p.m.
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Mason was not protected and Theodore was not available:

https://www.nhl.com/news/protected-list-for-vegas-golden-knights-nhl-expansion-draft-289972722

From that article...

All first- and second-year professionals are exempt from selection, as are unsigned draft choices.

The source you quoted calling these guys "protected but not counting towards the team's total" is really strange wording. Much easier to call them exempt, which is what they were. Theodore played 19 games in 15/16 and 34 games in 16/17 for the Ducks prior to the draft. The two seasons he played less than 10 games in the AHL didn't count as his contract slid in those.

An additional part of Murray's bungle here was giving Bieska, who was almost washed as a player at that point, a full NMC. All players with such clauses required protecting and that meant the Ducks protected Fowler, Lindholm and Bieska. Protecting Manson instead of Bieska would have been an alternate way around trading Theodore.


well that's a capfriendly problem, I used their expansion draft simulator and theodore was available, manson was too I just must've missed him
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Apr. 15 at 12:31 p.m.
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well that's a capfriendly problem


No worries, I'm having a slow Monday so killing a little time on cap friendly is all I'm after here. And as you can probably tell I'm a little bitter about that draft :-)

Murray wasn't the only GM that was really, really dumb in that process and we all saw the result with Vegas instantly going to the top of the standings and taking only a few years to win a cup. People thinking Seattle was going to enjoy that same level of success were fooling themselves. GM's learned a hard lesson with Vegas and didn't repeat it. Seattle made very few side deals and acquired almost no players that were not exposed to the draft.
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Apr. 15 at 12:38 p.m.
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No worries, I'm having a slow Monday so killing a little time on cap friendly is all I'm after here. And as you can probably tell I'm a little bitter about that draft :-)

Murray wasn't the only GM that was really, really dumb in that process and we all saw the result with Vegas instantly going to the top of the standings and taking only a few years to win a cup. People thinking Seattle was going to enjoy that same level of success were fooling themselves. GM's learned a hard lesson with Vegas and didn't repeat it. Seattle made very few side deals and acquired almost no players that were not exposed to the draft.


yeah, as a habs fan Vegas's instant success was great for us, god I can't imagine where we'd be without Suzuki
 
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