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Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 9:57 a.m.

Thread: My Hopes for Next Year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryminister_92</b></div><div>LOL 🤣

Cause top 4 defenceman give the puck away like Ceci did to Laferriere in his own zone last night..</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Yes, top-4 defensemen do make mistakes. Every single defenseman in the league has committed giveaways this season. Clearly your hockey knowledge is near zero.</div></div>

Interesting that you chose to pick on giveaways... among the top 128 regular season defensemen based on total minutes played (32 teams x 4) Ceci had the 6th lowest giveaways/60 rate. In the league.

What's that old saying? <em>Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt. </em>

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 9:04 a.m.

Thread: My Hopes for Next Year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryminister_92</b></div><div>LOL 🤣

Cause top 4 defenceman give the puck away like Ceci did to Laferriere in his own zone last night..</div></div>
Yes, top-4 defensemen do make mistakes. Every single defenseman in the league has committed giveaways this season. Clearly your hockey knowledge is near zero.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 6:23 p.m.

Thread: One more try with Ovi

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>so lets get this right. A guy scored 31 goals for CGY last year and you think they will give him to you for a late 1st, a 30 pt 3rd liner and TVR?</div></div>

"Late" 1st?

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 6:14 p.m.

Thread: My Hopes for Next Year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryminister_92</b></div><div>Bro just give it a rest. Ceci isn’t a top 4 guy.</div></div>
Seven NHL coaches say you're wrong.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 5:42 p.m.

Thread: would this work

Edmonton declines.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 5:39 p.m.

Thread: full rebuild

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PurpleHippo</b></div><div>EDM considers, it's a really interesting idea...</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NucksnOilers</b></div><div>I agree but would it be crazy to say I'd prefer it without Vladar involved?</div></div>
Absolutely - remove Vladar and fax it through.

Cgy can bury Vladar with just a $1M cap penalty, and they have $11M in cap space. No need to take him back.

Edmonton should re-sign Pickard, he's better and will he cheaper than Vladar. He and Rodrigue can cover the backup spot.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 5:30 p.m.

Thread: Zegras

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoSeider53</b></div><div>

And that joke of an offer by Edmonton isn't enough for Jakob Chychrun.</div></div>
Edmonton didn't make an offer. And likely wouldn't, as they don't need any more LHD. They'll spend the assets elsewhere.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 5:19 p.m.

Thread: My Hopes for Next Year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mk458</b></div><div>And a player like Ceci is easily replaceable in free agency, no need for Toronto to be giving up picks. Ceci likely gets moved for future considerations, or we have to give up draft picks with him. </div></div>
No. There are a finite number of top-4 RHD available in free agency and NONE of them are signing for $3.25M x 1. Ceci has value, probably a 2nd + 3rd or thereabouts.

Top-4 RHD are currency in this league.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 2:48 p.m.

Thread: My Hopes for Next Year

Edmonton definitely rejects that San Jose deal. Blackwood is a subpar backup, they aren't moving Kane and retaining (!!) for him. They could get a better backup for less money in free agency.

Ceci is worth more than 4th + 5th and Campbell requires at least a 1st attached to move his contract.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 1:28 p.m.

Thread: Ranking First Overall Picks 2014-2024

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>If we are going off of their career by the end of it? They are probably both right above Power. Slaf and Celebrini I believe will be better</div></div>
Dahlin is an elite 1st pairing defenseman, there's no way he should drop on this list. He plays against the best every night. Here's a simplistic view of the first 2 seasons post draft (to match Slafkovsky's career so far).

Hischier: 151, 37-62-99 +10 (0.66 P/GP)
Dahlin: 141, 13-71-84 -20 (0.60 P/GP)
Slavkovsky: 121, 24-36-60 -32 (0.50)
Power: 87, 6-32-38 +13 (0.44)
Hughes: 117, 18-34-52 -29 (0.44)

Honestly Power looks like the better pick right now too. Hughes had a pretty weak start to his career though so maybe Slafkovsky can become an 80-100 point guy, but I don't see the elite skill that Hughes has.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 12:52 p.m.

Thread: Going with retries

Campbell costs $3.8M against the cap right now. Why would Edmonton want to trade him for a $5.5M Korpisalo, who likely isn't any better than Campbell?

Campbell will be bought out or moved for cap space. They aren't going to take on MORE cap in return.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 11:12 a.m.

Thread: Bye Bye Mitch

Edmonton declines. They can get a better player in free agency for less without giving up a 3rd.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 11:06 a.m.

Thread: Thoughts

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>EDM says no and just buys him out instead.</div></div>

I would trade a 1st with Campbell rather than buy him out. But a 1st + 2nd + 3rd? Eh... probably not. 1st + 3rd is likely the highest I'd go.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 9:35 a.m.

Thread: All Playoff Team - No ELCs or retained contracts

FYI:

@JasonGregor

Bouchard has four assists and now has 30 points in 29 career playoff games. On quite the list..

Most points by D-man in first 30 playoff games:
36 – Bobby Orr and Brian Leetch
33 – Denis Potvin
31- Al MacInnis and Adam Fox
30 – Bouchard (29 GP)

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Yeah, he definitely should be on your list.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 7:03 p.m.

Thread: Unbiased Hard Truths

The thing is, Bednar COULDN'T pull the goalie. The backup was a minor leaguer from young-bee who doesn't have a single minute of NHL experience.

There's no way he was going to toss him onto the ice.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 6:58 p.m.

Thread: Probable Lines Tonight

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>4th line Kane is stupid, should be on the 3rd line at least.</div></div>
I think it's due to him playing through a hernia.

And LA has Byfield and Dubois on their 4th line...

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 3:51 p.m.

Thread: Moritz Seider Trade Comps

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>If only we had an example of a player like Ekholm being traded in the recent past to use as a gauge of his value.

NHLfan10506 what do you think. Unfortunately I think it would be impossible to find a trade to use as a comparable for Mattias Ekholm's value. If only</div></div>
You seem to have misunderstood my point. Where is the "Ekholm equivalent" in this list?

Comp:
FLA/VAN (1999)

Pavel Bure
Bret Hedican
Brad Ference

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Also, Bure had publicly requested a trade and had sat out for half a season, instead returned to Russia to train there. His value is very different from Draisaitl's present value.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 3:25 p.m.

Thread: Moritz Seider Trade Comps

Your Edmonton trade is WAY off. Ekholm is probably the best 2-way defender in the league right now, Draisaitl is a top-5 center. Nothing in the Bure trade come close to this package, nor does the return from Detroit come close in value.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 2:28 p.m.

Thread: REBUILD

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gavinray</b></div><div>Batherson is a 1st line RW who would put up 100 points on EDM </div></div>
Sounds convincing. I've never heard that line of reasoning before. :awesome

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 1:53 p.m.

Thread: REBUILD

Over the past 2 regular seasons combined, McLeod and Batherson are tied for 5v5 P/60 (1.71) while McLeod scored at a slightly higher rate (0.74 v 0.70 G/60). McLeod plays a more valuable position (C v W), is younger, faster, cheaper and better defensively.

I wouldn't do a swap 1-for-1, let alone add Holloway and a 3rd.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 1:37 p.m.

Thread: All Playoff Team - No ELCs or retained contracts

Bouchard > Dobson

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 1:35 p.m.

Thread: Blow It All Up Danny

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>Yeah that’s not true lol and the reports around the deadline suggest teams were willing to pay for Risto with $1.5M retention before his injury. Do more research before commenting.</div></div>
He's a 3rd pairing defenseman, at least according to John Tortorella. I don't care what the rumors were, he's not worth a 1st even with retention.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 11:00 a.m.

Thread: Edmonton Oilers Playoff Lineup

Not even close.

Practice lines from the weekend are publicly available, why wouldn't you just look them up?

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 8:30 a.m.

Thread: Former leafs I miss

No Salming? Mahavolich?

Kidding... I would have thought Hyman would have made your list though.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 8:28 a.m.

Thread: Blow It All Up Danny

$2M retention brings Ristolainen down from Cap Dump status to just cap dump status. Remove the 1st coming back and someone might take him along with the 2nd.

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