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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2022 at 12:04 p.m.
Thread: Giroux
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>23yr old top 6 forwards don’t get sent down to the AHL no matter how good of a team FLA. Trying to sell him as a top 6 forward is disingenuous.</div></div>

They do if they're struggling with the checking and defensive assignments and Florida's top 9 is scoring at a high rate. You're allowed to have any opinion you want on Tippett. Some will value him as nothing or as a B prospect. Other's will still see him as an A prospect still. A young player who has struggled and has been unable to find a role that works for him. His AHL production this season seems to show a corner is being turned. I'll leave it up to the Scouts who seem him playing to assess where he ranks as a prospect. My feeling is he's still an A level prospect that a team would give up a late first for.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2022 at 11:32 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15, 2022 at 4:14 p.m.
Thread: Giroux Deadline Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Okay. I want you to think about this for a second. Lets just start with it taking you 14 seasons to find something that you think supports your case before showing how the two scenarios are nothing alike. 2008…..if you can’t find anything in the last decade, don’t you think its time to tap out on this one?

Now, for this, so called, “comparable.”

Hossa’s season prior to the trade was a 43 goal 100 point season. What was he, 28 or 29 at the time of the trade? He was also elite defensively, and overall just one of the best players in the league. Not to mention, he wasn’t alone. He came with pascal dupuis, who only spent a decade in Pittsburgh.

Not sure where you got the two first round picks thing. Hossa and Dupuis got a 1st, a prospect, and two third liners. Definitely a very big return, but so were the assets moved. Giroux hasn’t been a point per game for his last three seasons. He hasn’t scored more than 22 in four seasons.

In short: try again. Maybe if you go back 20 years you’ll find something.</div></div>

I mean you did bring up the last 15 Trade Deadlines yourself so it seemed relevant to mention, but I do apologize for pointing out a deal that did not fit your narrative.

Hossa got dealt for a 2008 first round pick and Esposito (the prospect) was the Penguins 2007 1st round pick. That's essentially 2 first round picks. Dupuis at the time of the trade was mostly a swap for Colby Armstrong. I know the Penguins end up getting the better end of that deal just in Dupuis, but he was mostly just a swap in depth players at the time as he had not been doing much of note with Atlanta.

You are right on Giroux not being Hossa. He's also not Iginla. The odds the Avalanche can re-sign Giroux are substantially higher as well. A next year's first round pick, a season ago 2nd round pick, and a B level prospect in Bowers is quite fair.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15, 2022 at 4:01 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15, 2022 at 2:53 p.m.
Thread: Giroux Deadline Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>There is something wrong with the deadline rental market…there’s a clear cap. You can tell me until you’re blue in the face that lesser players got almost as much, but you’re going to have a really hard time funding more than one or two players that ever got more. Duchene is probably going to be as close as you get, which was a 1st, and a conditional first. That said, it wound up being just the first, an exchange of low level prospects.

So it seems pretty simple to me, the floor is to high, and the ceiling is too low for rental prices.</div></div>

To say it's a first and a third is a bit simplistic at this stage. Giroux is not showing any signs of breaking down or being injury prone to end his career. He just turned 34 unlike many other UFA rental deals that involved players like Iginla at age 36.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 15, 2022 at 1:20 p.m.
Thread: Avalanching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NMAvsFan</b></div><div>Which is why I wouldn't do that deal - the organizational depth is almost used up which means they have very little in the way of cheap contracts to plug upcoming holes. They're already renting Manson, I don't believe they can afford to rent Giroux if the price is Barron or even Olausson. There are other options to bolster the bottom six that will be more affordable and make the team better; Giroux would be a luxury and he'd be great to have but the price could be prohibitive. We'll see but I can't wrap my head around Sakic renting Giroux for Barron or Olausson.</div></div>

Giroux might be more affordable to re-sign than you think. Kadri will likely want a big pay day as a UFA. Giroux has already had a big contract. He'll value winning more. The AVS also have Burakovsky and Nichuskin who will likely get big raises on the open market. The AVS could very likely keep Manson and move on from Erik Johnson this offseason as well. Giroux might feel like an unnecessary addition because the top 6 of Colorado scores plenty, it's very important to have depth for injuries and beating the top teams requires 3rd lines to be able to score to win a series. If Giroux or whomever falls to the 3rd line Colorado's 3rd line becomes very likely unmatched in offensive firepower. They become a team that is extremely difficult to shutdown like Tampa Bay.