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Jul 6, 2017
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Only <a href="/users/Alfie11" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Alfie11</a> answered the question, "Where do they finish"
I think we need to examine the line up after the trade.
Skinner will bounce back with Kuznetsov at center and Oshie at RW and and that top line in a full season will get over 80 goals.
Cozens will mature, create great scoring chances for Olofsson and Sprong (he is going to be good BTW)
Mittelstadt and Thompson played really well over the last 20 games teamed with Asplund, I will imagine they will do as well with Bjork on the wing and maybe better as he has more scoring skills than Asplund.
The fourth line will KP much better than any Buffalo line over the past 10 years.
Shultz and Dahlin will be a solid top pairing while Butcher and Jokiharju will be solid.
I would most likely have had Bryson and Miller as only Ristolainen had more PK time than Bryson last year.
Either Hagg or Pysyk are better than any of the 7th D-men Buffalo had last year.
If Murray can regain his Stanley cup magic, this team will be in the hunt until March with Granato as their coach.
In a nutshell the RW is MUCH better with Oshie, Sprong and Dowd, LW is better as Skinner WILL rebound, Center is better as Kuznetsov will play more games than Eichel did, Defense is the same or slightly better and GK is better as Murray will play more games than Ullmark did.
One of the biggest factors that cannot be overlooked is that Kuznetsov, Oshie, Dowd, Sprong and Shultz all bring Stanley cup experience to the team.
They will hold the players accountable for their on ice and off ice performance.
As to the trade Washington is giving up too much.
Five good NHL players and three decent prospects.
Ottawa would most likely reject the trades as well, they think they can make a run at the playoffs and Murray is part of the ticket.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Ottawa rejects. And Buffalo rejects the Eichel trade <strong>Yes Ottawa rejects, but I think Buffalo may make that trade</strong>.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>I would much rather have Murray than Okposo, at least he showed flashes of bouncing back before he was injured last year. Okposo has been below replacement level for years. Expecting 3 top prospects on top of the better cap dump should get you locked in a room to prevent you from hurting yourself, there’s no explanation for this other than literal insanity.
edit: And this team is still trash. They might beat Arizona, and maybe 1 other team like Anaheim/San Jose/Columbus if they sell several pieces, but they’re not finishing higher than 30th. <strong>The Ottawa trade is great for Buffalo, you are correct.</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensibleguy</b></div><div> Okposo was front-loaded. Is cap floor magic, now...Ottawa hangs up mid call <strong>I agree bad trade for Ottawa.</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>Thank you for explaining. Know of any teams that might trade a goalie? Korpisalo or Merzlikins of CBJ, Quick of LAK, Koskinen and Dubnyk of COL. The last two may come with a pick if the Oilers or Avalanche want to clear cap space, </div></div>
Thank you for posting this, I am surprised more Sabre ACGM did not comment mainly Ottawa's.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>Great to see you!
Johnson instead of Alexeyev seems fine.
While there are UFAs available to fill in, WSH should be willing to move all of their bottom six forwards except maybe Eller (I'm sentimental about that Cup-winning goal, here) to land a #1C.
Lapierre dangles and makes passes like Adam Oates or Joe Thornton but he needs a year or two to bulk up and work on his shooting.
I personally expect McMichael to be an impact player for the Caps this year and I wouldn't think he's available, but if Buffalo offers a one for one for an injured Eichel, that could change. Realistically, the right-shot right wing who would be hardest for the Caps to move next summer to get under the cap with a healthy Eichel would be the old guy who's owed 16.5M over four years and was on pace for 30 goals again last year. So maybe Oshie, Johnson, Sprong, and McMichael for Eichel? Along with Schultz' contract expiring next summer, that might just allow WSH to keep Kuznetsov, if the cap goes up enough to sign the goalies.
If I'm Buffalo, and I'm fine with a slow rebuild that leads to a long championship window, maybe I'd prefer a package with a lot of prospects and young players, and no picks or cap hits, like Lapierre, Johnson, Sprong, Riat, Johansen, and Vanecek. Sprong, Riat, Johansen, and Vanecek should be NHL ready right now, while Lapierre and Johnson should make more of an impact when they arrive.
Or if Buffalo decides they're done rebuilding and want to make the playoffs without Eichel, and they want a lot of right handed players, WSH could offer Kuznetsov, Oshie, Sprong, Schultz, and Dowd? The last three are right handed. Throw in Johnson and Riat as insurance?</div></div> IMO either offer would make Buffalo MUCH better next year.
Oshie is the sort of character player that could lead the team to the playoffs and would more than replace Reinhart.
He along with Sprong would make the Buffalo RW very solid.
Dowd would be the perfect C to bolster the PK.
Shultz would make everyone forget about Ristolainen.
I can only imagine him playing with Dahlin.
Most Buffalo fans would not want that trade, but it would be an exciting team and it fill every hole except GK and a top center.
Your second proposal includes Kuznetsov is significantly better.
If MacLellan were to offer Kuznetsov, Oshie, Sprong, Schultz, Dowd, Johnson and Riat, Buffalo would <strong>HAVE</strong> to make a trade to get a better GK as that team has solid LW, RW, LHD, RHD and decent centers.
Post the second one and i will look for how many Sabre fans hate it.
They will say, Oshie is too old, Kuznetsov is slipping, Dowd offers nothing, Shultz will leave after one year, no top prospects, no picks, why would Buffalo do that?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>That's a lot of value, because I think Kuznetsov played like a #1 the second half of last year, but if Eichel is healthy, I could see the Caps trading Kuznetsov and McMichael for him. I like Hathaway but he's not in the same league with those other three.
You probably noticed, but most teams aren't taking big salaries on for picks, this summer. Minne fans are divided on whether Kuznetsov for Fiala is a one for one. They agree they're not adding a good pick to that. If Eichel is back for the 2022 playoffs, that pick will be very late. Might be better off asking for Alexeyev, Fehervary, or (and I know it's not a need, with Levi and UPL, but) one of the Caps' goalies.
Last summer some Arizona fans wanted Kuznetsov. I haven't kept up with what they're after this year.</div></div>
I doubt Arizona is trading for Kuznetsov now lol
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>Lapierre>McMichael in terms of ceiling and youth. Lapierre was projected top-five, but was injured at the draft. Has been healthy for a year, now. Over a point a game. McMichael is NHL-ready, so he's less likely to be traded from a team that needs playoff depth. Lapierre is younger, so Buffalo gets more team control out of a similar level center.
A Caps thread yesterday offered McMichael, Alexeyev, and two unprotected 1st picks, plus Eller and Kuznetsov. Rags and Sabres fans thought it was an overpay. https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2782463
I think Kuznetsov and Eller could be a decent #1 and #2 center for the Sabres, if they want to push for the playoffs this year, but if Buffalo prefers to rebuild through more drafts, and take another forward or two in the top five, they might see them as a waste of $10M and prefer a chance to get another 1st round pick for Eichel, instead.
At the same time, if Eichel wants surgery, and if his contract is only 80% insured, and if he never comes back, WSH risks giving two blue chip prospects and $10M cash for Victor Olofsson. I like Olofsson's shot, but I wouldn't trade Lapierre for him, one for one. Alexeyev? Maybe.
Thanks. Please check out my explanation to OC above, and/or suggest/post your own.
When the Caps got five late 1st round picks for their young franchise defenseman Scott Stevens, that turned into Sergei Gonchar and Brendan Witt, who helped Washington win its first President's Trophy and make its first trip to the Cup Finals. Gonchar was eventually traded for Shaone Morrisonn, who helped the Caps win their second President's Trophy, before the Sabres signed him. So two top prospects and three conditional first picks for an injured franchise player seems fair to me. Incidentally, Stevens didn't accomplish anything in St. Louis. :)
If his neck is okay, sure. But I thought he just fired his agent to try to push for neck surgery? Did that all go out the window when the NHL announced they're playing in the Olympics? Does Eichel think he and Matthews together can guarantee gold?
It'd take another miracle.
The Caps, plus Eichel and minus nobody important, might have better odds at the '22 Stanley Cup than Team USA has at the '22 Gold. And Eichel, on a contender, finally gets the supporting cast to help him try to outscore Matthews in a regular season next year. Although how the Caps get under the cap to make that happen, I'm not quite sure.</div></div>
He fired his agent because Brisson is the best in th3 business and will definitely get him his trade. Refer to Duchene to Ottawa trade, that was basically run by Brisson