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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 30, 2018 at 4:43 a.m.
Thread: NYR 2019 4 Line Outlook
Thanks everyone for the replies and input, it's appreciated because honestly this is what I like to do when it comes to sports. I would be the kid that would play Madden only for the franchise mode and building/GMing teams over years, well decades until the rosters had no one's name I recognized.

As far as some of the disagreements, personally I think this is exactly where too many fans let being well, a ''fan'', cloud their judgement. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for such young players, talented players albeit, and uncommon it is to have not only one 19 year old lead a line as a center, or wing a second line, but two? The team has an experienced, great line with KZB we all know that, and they kept Zucc for a reason. Honestly I hope the kids do come out of the gate great because that would mean we possibly do keep Zucc, possibly resign him, and not have him become this year's Rick Nash at the trade deadline. But to Finally have some quality from our #1 draft pick(s) ( you would have to go back to Skjei in 2012 six, Six! years ago since we actually even had a 1st round draft choice) and to rush them for what? That's honestly just stupid and I mean that in no disrespect. We are literally in Year 1 of a rebuild that the Rangers haven't done a full rebuild in this Century. Look I love me some King Henriq as much as Any Ranger fan, and he more than anyone in memory barring Mess deserves a Cup, but not only would I rather see maybe one start out of camp, If he shows he should be on the roster, and the other come up during the season because it's the Safe, Smart play. But truly rather that be the case and bring the youngsters up as a Boost to a team that's possibly outperforming expectations.


It has to be remembered.. to have a top 10 draft choice you have to also be a bottom 10 Worst team in the league the year before. How often do the New York Rangers want to do a rebuild? We had 2 1st rd picks last year ( yes one from the Stepan trade ) and 3 this year. How often does that happen?? Again Henriq to me, and I never thought I'd say this, but he's on the same exact highest of levels in my eyes as Richter. And I couldn't imagine Mike not getting his Cup just as much as I couldn't imagine Leetch or Mess Not getting one either. But we have one of the best goalie prospects there is right now in Igor Shestyorkin just waiting overseas for his chance. Even if it's 2 years, 3 years from now and they are splitting games between the pipes, that's still a Cup for the King, and well earned by any standard.

My point is it's not every other year, or every other decade for that matter a team has Five 1st Round Draft PIcks within a 2 year span, especially when we have Zero, Zilch, None the 5 years prior. There is no reason to sacrifice a possible dare I say dynasty (I'm a Rangers fan I like to think Big) for a half season of two kids 19 and 20 starting with the club out of camp. We kept Namestnikov and probably within days Spooner, and they are more than capable so far by the looks of it. Belesky is only up there because of his salary. Gropp up there was literally just as a fill in because he has only this year left and as I said the rosters above do Not reflect a journeymen fill in we may sign (ala Desharnais, again as I said). Same went for Boo and Lettieri on a line. As far as burning a year off of Chytil and Anderrsson I could of made that a little clearer by not starting with that line. It was in the sense of we don't need them up on a brand new team that does not even have playoff expectations out of the gate, at the cost of possibly hurting their confidence or forward momentum. Let them Destroy in the AHL and come up hungry during the season whenever that may be. Aside from that I completely agree as I think I said in my OP that Pionk/DeAngelo are definitely interchangeable depending on who shows what, but we still at this time have to include Staal/Smith in the Top 6 D rotation and putting them together may be more a hindrance than good for the growth of Pionk/Deangelo along with overall quality of the lines. Hayes back at wing imo may just set him back, to have him keep going back and fourth for a 19/20 year old kid to take his place? I just don't see that good for a guy we are about to give a 5 year 5mil+ contract to. Eventually sure, I see Andersson anchoring a line as a C easily as that good two way player, while Chytil has looked like a natural scorer wherever it may be he ends up on a line.



I think old age is getting to me, I was told patience will probably eventually come in your 30's, maybe it's got me. But I'm more than happy where we are as a team atm, and how it looks to be setting up for the next 1-5 years. Having even just 2 of our 5( Can't not smile typing 5 1st Round Draft PIcks) 1st round draft picks hit the ice running and not looking back, instead of growing pains like we've seen with what was expected from Vessey who is 3 years older than either Chytil or Andersson is much more preferable in my eyes, and truly better for a Cup in the future.


GO RANGERS!
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 29, 2017 at 5:00 a.m.
Thread: Rebuid
Lol, I'm honestly not trying to sound like a dick per se here.. but I can't stop laughing.. Look I'ma just be blunt and direct here, when it comes to Sports and Trades you get one of these three usually, Skilled/Young Talent, Draft Pick(s), or Cap Relief, sometimes you will get a minor 2nd of the 3 in a large trade. But Not like the described above or even MORE commented on in the posts following(more?? Mind = Blown).. Even with retaining 50% of Nash's Cap you don't get a 2nd Round Draft Pick ALONE let alone a 2nd Plus a 3rd. I mean you could retain his ENTIRE cap hip and not get a 2nd+3rd, he's 34 (that's 34 YEARS old), and a 2nd at best, 3rd pairing Wing at this stage in his career(showing it clearly in speed loss, and shot attempts resulting in goals).. a rental(can go anywhere next year)..not a top end draft prospect pick let alone 2 of them!.. I mean I've seen some mind blowing Hopes by my fellow Rangers fans but that one made me chuckle.. Nash is one of those pieces a team will trade/sign to a 1-year deal at $1 mil to give some experience/leadership in the locker room sure, and a punch to a young 2nd/3rd line that lacks that older experience. Or sure he can go to a non contender and get another 3yr contract for a few mil more. That's his choice next year. But, let me say this, Be Completely Happy with a, A meaning singular, 3rd Round Draft Pick for Nash, with retaining 1/3-1/2 his salary. **Obviously the more/less $ retained, the higher/lower the draft pick we get. See back to my first statement on what you receive in most trades.

Second, I'll keep this brief with what's to come below (ha!), Holden is not worth a 3rd Round Pick. Period. A 30 year old 3rd Pair/Not Even Playing 7th D-Man RENTAL, he's a UFA next year remember?, at this time in the NHL is NOT getting you a 3rd Round Pick/Talent back. Settle for the 5th, at this point 6th Round Pick player/salary dump that he is and now you have half the problem of Staal/Holden mistakes/taking minutes/screwing with 3 line D-combos, halfway solved. I rather a Pick for Holden though a young overseas winger works too.

Alright, So, I debated for a good whole 5 seconds of mind-blowness' which of the suggested trade values was more 12th Dimension-thinking Worse. Nash or Zucc. And I Slapped myself out of the Nash stun and realized that the Quality of what must be smoked.. to think this Zucc trade is something NHL GMs even LAUGH about at 2am in hotel bars during meetings is Not even POSSIBLE! Let's go over this in 'Be An Actual GM Class' K?

Mats Zuccarello, this is Zucc, Stepan's gone, you're probably a couple young Rangers fans or maybe just don't follow hockey that much, the 'casual' Rangers fan(s), that to put it nicely.. just don't understand how GM'ing a team/Trades work in reality. You probably barely knew or don't want to really remember the "hurt"(lol) of the Dubinsky/Callahan/Hagelin/ trades because Oh-Em-Gee as the kids say these days Those are my Rangers I know and Love!! (-Yawn) I get it. It's OK to feel attached and passionate, this is Sports I Love Sports, they come before my girlfriend, work, money, family,.. well at least sometimes I would like to think they do, Haha. Stepan hurt you're grieving. Zucc/Henriq/McDonaugh are what's holding you together right now. Cool, again I get it. But valuing a 30-year old Winger for Not only a top prospect, (the goalies are a wash for the most part), But a 1st Round Draft Pick??? No.., No matter if its the 31st Overall Pick it's STILL a 1st Round Pick! (Look at #21. New York Rangers - Filip Chytil, C, #22. Edmonton Oilers - Kailer Yamamoto, RW, #30. Nashville Predators - Eeli Tolvanen, RW, all possible top talents, that were found at the Bottom end of the Draft) To add another, and an example to educate, since this is GM class.. take the draft night trade of Pick #27. Philadelphia Flyers Morgan Frost, C, -- for-- St. Louis Blues C Brayden Schenn, Schenn is ONLY 26, 4 years younger than Zucc, and his last 4 years have gone only UP in terms of production, @22 20/21/41, @23 18/19/47, @24 26/33/59, @25 25/30/55. Zucc is being paid $4.5 mill thru next year. Schenn is a Steal at $2.5 mil this year PLUS 2 more years. So you have a top line C/LW who is 4 years younger in his prime, on an almost 50% cheaper contract, being traded for the #27 pick in a draft. That's the 27th, Twenty Seventh, PICK in the Draft. Understanding Value Picks/Young(er) talent better now?

I just don't see Any NHL GM/Team giving up one of their top prospects, and a 1st Round Draft Pick for a Winger on the Wrong side of 30, even With the salary dump of Orpik coming back, and retaining $2.5 on Zucc... I mean come on guys, you all literally just saw it also from the Rangers in a trade what it takes, like the Schenn deal outlined above, or a 1st line C in Stepan, in his prime at 27, on the Right side of 30, PLUS a starting quality young proven goaltender in Raanta, get traded as the cost of a 1st Round draft pick albeit higher up, and DeAngelo, who though I like, was a cast off problem case 3rd pairing D prospect, that is now not even in the press box as he's sent down 2 weeks into the season. Take Raanta/DeAngelo out of the deal and you're left with about a #14-18 1st Round Draft Pick for Step.

That's how much Young, cheap, talented prospects, or what it takes to get those prospects in top end of the draft pick selection is worth in Sports and today's NHL.

When I started this post I definitely did not expect all this, and hope it's not taken wrong, some ppl see paragraphs in today's internet and immediately just hate on the post. But yes I am a little older (30) and yes a life-long can still actually remember our last Cup, Rangers fan. Through and Through. My Rangers I felt the way the above posters do were Graves, Leetch, Mess, BeukaBoom, Kovalev, Richter, Verbeek, Zubov, Nedved, Robitaille, some players great or not stay with a team longer than others, All Trades are not equal, all GM's are not as smart and intelligent as the next.. But putting that aside, in today's NHL as is any Sports team the bottom line is the almighty $Dollar$, and how many of those it costs to Win in the end. Some teams/GMs go farther than others sure. But there is still a Salary Cap, and with that said the Highest Premium will always be put on Draft Picks/Young Talent compared to older proven talent that you have to pay X amount of times more millions of dollars for X amount of years more. I mean damn, IE. LV GKs would be next semester's class on GM Drafting 101. So, ****. I need a smoke after this for sure. ****.. ha. Thoughts on the team? Sucks were not performing to out quality we have. AV either needs to set lines, or be gone. No team can play with 0 D-pairings that stick more than 2 games, or Top 9 Forwards literally jumping and dropping 3 lines up/down a night. His coaching these first dozen or so games is almost as mind blowing as these trade values lol.. Sorry had to.. But yeah. Put the KZB line back intact as it should be, I mean Christ AV you even can **** that up?? I'd like to see what Nash/Miller/Zucc can do over time together, along with Vessey/Hayes/Grabner with a Strong D-Pairing to offset them and cover the mistakes. Until we can get rid of Holden for whatever he is worth, bring DeAngelo back up, and some later in the season Staal deal at the trade deadline to a team looking for a D-man, I don't think trying to put together a mediocre, that's what 4th lines are.. 4th line is truly our most important thing at this point. We have 3 wins and 8 points in 14 games! Get the KZB line back together, a strong Experienced gel together 2nd line, with a young talented 3rd line that won't give up crazy goals and can hold their own. Play the 3 lines the TOI they SHOULD have, meaning a LOT. And piece together that 4th line with Desharnais/Fast, who should hold their own, with whoever else we got atm and let's play the next couple weeks with Coherent, Set Lines, that players can build on with linemates/style of play/experience.


Though we all know that's probably not going to happen, its The Rangers.. it's Never that simple sadly. it's AV. Along w Gorton and his ugly RBF(restin ***** face') who I bet won't wait much longer to fire AV/the coaching staff or trade for a top C. OR Both ha!. But there is one thing I know for sure.. we are Not, Repeat NOT going to blow the New York Rangers team up with Henrik Lundqvist in net, even at 35... at least not this year, or even next year most likely. I'll still take the amazing amount of talent/possibilities this team has over any in the League, (even You Vegas!) and Yes.. That's the True Rangers Fan in me talking, again! Thanks for the read if you somehow got through this BS... /me exhales ahhhh.. Nam-afuckin'-ste.. #GoRangers
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 22, 2017 at 8:49 p.m.
Thread: NYRangers Opening Day is HERE!
A probable lineup for Opening Night with the youngins' Andersson and obviously Chytil starting in the minors where they belong atm. We keep Bereglazov on the team by having him on the NHL roster so it doesn't trigger his release clause for Europe... along with possibly Pionk as an 8th D-Man or up and down from the minors during the year... Also taking advantage of the 9 games Lias, Flyp, and the other youngsters get to have on the main roster will keep us just fine on the wings til Fast is fully recovered a month or so into the Season.

The Eriksson trade may be a little much, but he's still a talented big C, unproven in the NHL, but exactly what we need for the 4th line in the future (or higher up depending on how good he becomes), we get rid of Holden, and improve our biggest need, and future, all in one trade.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2017 at 8:50 p.m.
Thread: NYR Looking Good for 17-18
Solid 4 lines, leaves the option for still enough cap to sign another forward for depth, or bring a kid up to see if they can cut it for the 9 games allowed. (Boo, Lias, Gropp, Day, Graves, etc). I think Pionk is a nice piece to have up as the 8th defender, and knowing how AV does his lines it may be so, though obviously instead an extra Forward may be the more common sense way to go. Again still may sign a F, or just do as is on the extra roster spot until the trade deadline.

I do think we are a 2nd line C away from a Great, not solid, or stacked, but Great team. We just need that reliable face off winning punch of a 2nd line caliber C ( since a 1st Line C would cost multiple kids/picks and a current top 6 F).

Side Note - Next year with how the contracts of Nash, Hayes, Skej, Vessey, Miller, Grabner, and Holden, Puempel, backup G, all being up and in need of new deals, next year will truly be the year that a LOT of our system talent has to either sink or swim (aka move on), since we obviously won't be able to keep all the above listed. In a Perfect World, Nash comes back on a team friendly 3m/1yr deal, Hayes we keep him if he shows his worth but I do see it hard at the $ he will demand, and see us going after a top line C instead in a trade for picks and a prospect or two. Skej I would definitely like to see back, but if he plays as I expect it's going to cost a hefty sum, probably a 4.5m/3-5yr contract. With us still 'anchored' by Staal's contract that will be rough, but doable. Vessey imo is a head shaker, he looks good, he looks bad, he looks young, we resign him to a bridge deal and roll the dice, 3m/2yr. Miller, hopefully His bridge deal doesn't burn us and we can get him back at a reasonable price, again it will cost a pretty penny. Grabner can go either way as far as most likely being the last to eat.. depends on his play this year and if good, how much that will cost us we probably won't be able to pay, along with his age and our younger players makes it difficult to justify, a par or sub par year tho, resigning him would be much easier for a mid level 3ishm/3yr contract. Though he may be the sacrificial lamb if we want to keep the aforementioned players And also add a top notch C, again Staal's contract impacting Hard here... Keeping Skej though at the cost of Grab is fine by me, along with a younger core of Miller, Hayes, Vessey, and possibly Puempel, Nash is more likely avail to a team friendly 1 yr con, than having to pay Grab for 3 or 4 yrs. And that still leaves a backup G, what kid replaces Holden on D, and also how much a top 1/2 line C will cost in $ and the trade itself.

Still though... I rather have these problems the Rangers have, being in a better position team wise than 2/3s the League works for me personally.

Thanks for any Comments guys, GO Rangers!