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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 12, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
Thread: Can we talk about that Freddy deal yet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>He has scored 15+ goals once and over 40 points once.

He has scored more than 10 points twice and had more than 3 goals twice

He's 30</div></div>

He's also played more than 55 games only twice - the past two seasons with the Wild. He literally had 103 games in parts of 4 seasons under his belt before getting a shot with the Wild - I don't think using counting stat benchmarks for him works. It's also several years ago, on a different team, with a different coach, and with different usage (9ish minutes TOI with Nashville vs. 16+ with the Wild.) It's apples and something even more different than apples than oranges.

His most recent production is 158 GP over two seasons with the Wild, where he went 33-48-82. Over an 82 game pace, that averages out to a 17-25-42 line. I don't think calling him a 15-20 G/40pt guy is any sort of stretch when that's the production he's put up for the majority of his career to date.

The age is what it is. He's 30, he's gonna get $2.1M through his age-34 season. It's 3rd line money - hell, if the cap goes to $90M+ it's going to be 4th line money. Acting like he's a problem for a Wild team paying their 38 year old 7th D $2M (with a full NMC) or paying Marcus Johansson $2M for his age-33/34 seasons (with, you guessed it, a full NTC) just seems like picking nits.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 12, 2023 at 5:13 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11, 2023 at 9:27 p.m.
Thread: Billy G
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kroche6</b></div><div>You make a good point. If Bill Guerin can get a 2nd round pick for Jordan Greenway, it would make sense he would try to get more than that for Addison, who has a much higher upside IMO. Of what I can remember, he has yet to sell low on a prospect (or any player for that matter) during his tenure. Obviously Greenway and Addison are different positions, ages/arcs in development curve.</div></div>

I’ll reiterate that my valuation of Addison is based on actual trades of 21/22 yo RD with little to no NHL experience. Greenway was BG selling high and doesn’t factor into that at all.

But trading Addison makes this team worse and I’d be hard pressed to say we’ll be better off trading him for a 1st, let alone scraps. Play the kid, he’s good.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11, 2023 at 8:36 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11, 2023 at 7:44 p.m.
Thread: Billy G
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GoGuins18</b></div><div>Yes but the difference is Addison has been a healthy scratch for 3 months and everyone knows Minny wants to move him. For those reasons I have a hard time believing he'll return a 1st unless there's enough teams that think MN is dead wrong on him and there's a bidding war with those teams trying to reup each other.</div></div>

Don’t forget that Lundqvist was never seeing the ice for NYR and everybody knew it. Sandin was in and out of the lineup for TOR and the league saw he was gonna be a cap casualty. Addison is arguably the best of this group and has a record to support that. IDK. I think it’s a pretty straight forward comparison.

Romanov is an entirely different kind of player but I think his trade does add another reasonable data point to think about.

I’ll agree with you that a 1st might be more than what he returns but I think 2 2nds or a late 1st is a value that’s fair to pencil in and there’s plenty of comps to support that.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 11, 2023 at 8:07 p.m.
Thread: Billy G
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>There's nothing going on with Rossi. He's been near a PPG down in the AHL, and his level of play is impressive when considering he missed an entire year of crucial development due to Myocarditis.

If you're asking why he wasn't in the NHL this year. It's because Guerin/Wild organization don't like rushing prospects and even though Rossi wasn't playing bad, he was playing sound defensive hockey at a minimum, his offense wasn't where they wanted it at the beginning of the year so he got sent back down. The plan, initially, was just to get his confidence and scoring ability back on track then call him up again. However, the play of other call ups, namely both Connor Dewar and Mason Shaw kept them in the lineup. Ergo... there wasn't a realistic spot for Rossi on Minnesota's roster until the injury to Joel Eriksson-Ek a couple of games ago

Thems the breaks. 🤷‍♂️</div></div>

I'd STRONGLY recommend reading <a href="https://hockeywilderness.com/news-rumors/minnesota-wild/marco-rossi-is-ready/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">this article.</a> I think it does an excellent job breaking down how Rossi's game has grown this year and where it hasn't -- particularly w.r.t. aggressiveness on the boards. Which is something Evason values highly.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 11, 2023 at 7:56 p.m.
Thread: Billy G
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoreHitzSeider</b></div><div>What's going on with Rossi? I remember the talking heads saying he was a draft day steal.</div></div>

There's nothing going on with Rossi. He's been near a PPG down in the AHL, and his level of play is impressive when considering he missed an entire year of crucial development due to Myocarditis.

If you're asking why he wasn't in the NHL this year. It's because Guerin/Wild organization don't like rushing prospects and even though Rossi wasn't playing bad, he was playing sound defensive hockey at a minimum, his offense wasn't where they wanted it at the beginning of the year so he got sent back down. The plan, initially, was just to get his confidence and scoring ability back on track then call him up again. However, the play of other call ups, namely both Connor Dewar and Mason Shaw kept them in the lineup. Ergo... there wasn't a realistic spot for Rossi on Minnesota's roster until the injury to Joel Eriksson-Ek a couple of games ago

Thems the breaks. 🤷‍♂️
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
Thread: Wild 2 Year Projection - Part II
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drmantalban</b></div><div>jnowariak - this is a trimmed down version of that other thread I had up. Anything besides the question marks at LD catch your eye?</div></div>

Looks exciting! I really like that 4th line. I think Foligno is exactly where he needs to be and it makes every other line better.

I’d bet you Mats signs a Pavs type deal too. He’s still cooking. I’d rearrange the lines a bit and really think they’ll want a few more vets, but I feel very good about it. I think they get a vet to compete with Beckman/Yurov for one of those mid 6 W spots.

Kap-Danielson-Zucc
Boldy-Rossi-Yurov
Marat-Ek-Beckman
Duhaime-Dewar-Foligno

Midds/Lambos-Spurg
Brods-Faber
Lambos/Merrill-Addison

Merril/Midds and a vet FWD on the bench
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2023 at 3:11 p.m.
Thread: Wild 2 Year Projection - Part II
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caerii</b></div><div>It looks fun, at least.

I think it's pretty optimistic to project some of these guys into this lineup this early. Especially if Guerin and Evason are still around, I see them favoring hard nosed vets especially.

Ohgren is playing in the Swedish B league. I think it would be preferable to give him at least two years in Iowa before putting him into a top six role in the NHL.
Danielson would be a mid/late pick in his D+2 season, not many of those guys playing important roles.
Yurov is a wild card because he's the most skilled of any of our prospects, but he still doesn't have more than a fourth line role with his KHL team (still only 19 though).
Khusnutdinov I have no problems penciling into a middle six spot because he's been playing top six with his KHL team, and he will continue to be between now and then.
Beckman is tough to project too because his game has kind of stagnated.

So I think you need an all new third line if you want to go for peak realism.

I do like your point about starting the season with more cap space though, gives you options to go after a player like (examples from this season) Horvat, Meier and offer them extensions, or even a guy like Sam Bennett who comes with some term, wherever the holes are that season, you don't have to worry about future cap space AS much (with respect to some of the older prospects who will need new contracts after this).</div></div>

Yeah agreed, peak realism would require changes. I'm with you on the points about it being a bit too optimistic with some of those younger players - there was a parent thread where I tried to echo some of that same thinking, but couldn't figure out how to really translate that into this thread without prompting the same discussion over again. Plus it is fun to see some new names/youth.

But it does seem more likely that we'd have a stripped down version of the above with vets dropped in over the fringe-ier types. Some form of [Foligno, Hartman, Bennett, pick-a-name-out-of-a-hat] over [Ohgren, Beckman, Yurov, 23 Draft Pick].

Gonna be interesting to see what happens this TDL and offseason with RFAs/draft - in theory, that should help clarify at least some of this.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
Thread: Wild 2 Year Projection - Part II
It looks fun, at least.

I think it's pretty optimistic to project some of these guys into this lineup this early. Especially if Guerin and Evason are still around, I see them favoring hard nosed vets especially.

Ohgren is playing in the Swedish B league. I think it would be preferable to give him at least two years in Iowa before putting him into a top six role in the NHL.
Danielson would be a mid/late pick in his D+2 season, not many of those guys playing important roles.
Yurov is a wild card because he's the most skilled of any of our prospects, but he still doesn't have more than a fourth line role with his KHL team (still only 19 though).
Khusnutdinov I have no problems penciling into a middle six spot because he's been playing top six with his KHL team, and he will continue to be between now and then.
Beckman is tough to project too because his game has kind of stagnated.

So I think you need an all new third line if you want to go for peak realism.

I do like your point about starting the season with more cap space though, gives you options to go after a player like (examples from this season) Horvat, Meier and offer them extensions, or even a guy like Sam Bennett who comes with some term, wherever the holes are that season, you don't have to worry about future cap space AS much (with respect to some of the older prospects who will need new contracts after this).