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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2018 at 3:37 p.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable (If ARZ wins the lottery)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Clearly you misunderstood........... again.

Choosing Dahlin does not = high risk. <strong>Trading Matthews for Dahlin, (and everything else in the trade) is = High risk.</strong>

Matthews has proven he's a generational talent. Dahlin still has to prove he is one.

Anyways bud, im done with this pointless argument. Next your going to twist something around "generational" that has no bearing on the conversation just to not actually accept that you know what I am saying is fact.</div></div>

You characterized the trading of Matthews for Dahlin's rights as "high risk". Based on what, if not the players and their respective talent levels? Regardless, he's a Sabre. Further discussion is moot.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 27, 2018 at 3:19 p.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable (If ARZ wins the lottery)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>I think you put the wrong link?

Anyhoo found this:
<em>“Karlsson isn't a good comparison to Dahlin because Dahlin is so much bigger and plays a more physical game,” one scout said. “No one is saying [Dahlin] is going to be Nick Lidstrom or Victor Hedman, but in terms of style, he's probably closer to those guys than Karlsson.”</em>
<a href="https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-preseason-ranking-the-year-of-swedish-defencemen-1.852963" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-preseason-ranking-the-year-of-swedish-defencemen-1.852963</a>

Regardless, this is all because I wanted to sway you on the side of caution with trading Matthews, Nylander, Zaitzev and a 1st for Domi, Dvorak and Dahlin...... surely you can see the potential disaster that could happen if Dahlin is simply another OEL for example (which is very plausible and would still be a great addition).

If Dahlin comes in and scores 70+ points as a rookie dman and is playing 25 mins a night while holding off the other teams best players night in and night out, yeah maybe the trade could work but you don't know that yet.... What you do know is that Matthews at just age 19 has already scored 40 goals in a season. Something only 7 players have done in the history of the NHL with only one other player doing it in the year 2000+ era. Then add on a young Nylander who has put up 60 points in back to back seasons...

You are risking a lot on what the critics are projecting an unproven player could become. The analysts get it wrong from time to time too....

Nail Yakupov, - "An extremely skilled winger, Yakupov is the hottest thing to come out of Russia since Alex Ovechkin and is already drawing comparisons to the superstar."
Ryan Nugent Hopkins - "Excellent vision and hockey IQ. Gretzky-esque playmaking abilities. The most complete player in the draft."</div></div>

Yeah, wrong link.

<a href="https://www.tsn.ca/video/four-traits-that-separate-dahlin-from-the-field~1380875" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.tsn.ca/video/four-traits-that-separate-dahlin-from-the-field%7E1380875</a>

Dude, let's circle back to this in 9 months and see who's right.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 27, 2018 at 2:09 p.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable (If ARZ wins the lottery)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Yeah I did. Couldn't find a damn thing. I did however find a bunch articles that show that Dahlin has better stats than both Karlsson and Hedman had at the same age or even younger. As well as some people who say his overall game reminds them of Lidstrom also.

All very nice things. All types of things I've heard before.

Anyways not getting at it with you bud, just saying I don't buy <em>too</em> much of the hype. He'll be good. That's pretty certain. How good? That will depend on what he does in the NHL. As good as Karlsson, Hedman and Lidstrom <strong>combined</strong>? I don't think that is even humanly possible.....</div></div>

The quote was he embodies the best attributes of all three. That doesn't = as good as those three combined.
<a href="https://www.tsn.ca/the-big-four-solidify-spots-in-tsn-draft-ranking-1.1066345" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.tsn.ca/the-big-four-solidify-spots-in-tsn-draft-ranking-1.1066345</a>
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 26, 2018 at 4:57 p.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable (If ARZ wins the lottery)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Whoa whoa whao. I said he didn't look the part. meaning he didn't look the part of a superstar dman. Half of those stats you mentioned are trivial.

Secondly my comment was against Dahlin being worth more/equal to Matthews or McDavid currently. Simply stating that Dahlin although looks like a really good player has not proved anything in the NHL yet. You are <em>assuming</em> he will be a generational talent anbd he may very well be but he hasn't done it yet.

Lastly Never mentioned anything against JT+ Dahlin is better than Matthews. Yeah, generally speaking, two very good players will be better than 1 very good player. That's simple math. I'm talking one for one. based on the comparison you mentioned.

TLDR; Every single year everyone says the 1st overall pick is the next greatest thing since Swiss cheese. Im simply saying wait for them to prove it first. Or else you may be wishing you didn't trade away the known commodity you had previously.</div></div>


Im assuming nothing. I am basing my opinion on not just my observation, but more importantly, what every expert says about him. If you struggle with that, it's certainly not on me to convince you. And whoever is telling you every single year that the 1st overall is whatever hyperbolic cliche you prefer, nobody has ever claimed that a defender going first overall embodies the very best of Lidstrom, Hedman and Karlsson COMBINED.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 26, 2018 at 4:29 p.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable (If ARZ wins the lottery)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>-most points by aU18 jr. in SHL (20) NOTE: most since 2004. -<em> Impressive but doesn't make you a NHL superstar.</em>
-SHL player of the year (jr) -<em> Im not sure he deserves it really? I think the swedes want to pump this guy up more then is needed. Pettersson should of won based on what he did.</em>
-U20 WJC All-Star Team -<em> Doesn't make you a superstar.</em>
-U20 WJC Best Defenseman - <em>Once again not sure he should have been but regardless. Doesn't make you an NHL superstar</em>
-U20 WJC Silver Medal - <em>Has no bearing on anything.</em>
-U20 WJC Top 3 Player on Team - <em>Has no bearing on anything.</em>
-youngest swede to represent his country since 1960. - <em>Has no bearing on anything.</em>

These are all mostly arbitrary stats. I think you think Im saying he sucks or something. Im not. Im simply not putting him among the greats just yet. Hasn't played a single NHL game yet and the comparisons you suggesting are extremely lofty.</div></div>

I posted his achievements this year; most of which relate to his WJC performance, because you claimed he didnt look like a star player in the WJC's. He's a superstar in the making because as indicated, every knowledgeable hockey mind has called him either franchise or generational. We can go back and forth and get nowhere if that floats your boat, but JT and Dahlin adds TONS more to the Leafs' depth than Matthews. It's not a tough concept.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 26, 2018 at 1:26 p.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable (If ARZ wins the lottery)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Lol yeah I know he's good but will he be a McDavid version on defense? I'm not sold of that yet. Had a chance to do that <strong>at the WJHC and didn't look the part.</strong> He's been good in the SHL but has he obliterated his competition over there? No. Now he supposed to be the best defenseman of all time since Bobby Orr? That's a little exaggerated. Let's see what he can do in the NHL first before considering he's the equivalent to this generation best overall player (McDavid) or one of this generations best rookie scorers (Matthews).

Didn't "look the part"? He was the tourney's top defender.

Achievements this year:
-most points by aU18 jr. in SHL (20) NOTE: most since 2004.
-SHL player of the year (jr)
-U20 WJC All-Star Team
-U20 WJC Best Defenseman
-U20 WJC Silver Medal
-U20 WJC Top 3 Player on Team
-youngest swede to represent his country since 1960.

This as a 17 year old.</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 26, 2018 at 1:02 p.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable (If ARZ wins the lottery)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadGuy63</b></div><div>Your trading away your 2 best players who are 2 of the best in the league for domi and dvorak who is are good but neither are as good as nylander. You can upgrade the D through free agency plus in a year or 2 liljegren will be ready. The COL trade i cant say anything about but I do not understand the NYI trade. You swap second round picks and get JT but give negotiation rights. News flash your not getting him for a second you have a better chance in free agency.</div></div>

A 2nd for JT's negotiation rights is overpayment. so its a pick swap. Teams trade pi wks for pending UFA's rights every year. Neither Domi nor Dvorak have to be as good as Nylander. It's about the impact of the entire package. And the Leafs come out stronger at the end of this deal, that's all that matters.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 26, 2018 at 12:58 p.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable (If ARZ wins the lottery)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>alwaysnextyear</b></div><div>Yes I do. But scouts don't have crystal balls unfortunately. Let me put it this way; would you trade Matthews for Ekblad? Probably not, but going into his draft all the scouts thought Ekblad was the next big thing too. And he's great, but he's not the McDavid of his position. All I'm saying is you know what you have with Matthews, which is pretty freaking awesome.</div></div>

Ekblad was never thought to be anywhere close to what Darlin is. And when Bob McKenzie among others say hes the best parts of Lidstrom, Karlsson and Hedman in one package -- as good in his own end as he is in the O zone -- and better than all of them at the same age, youre talking about a guy with annual Norris trophies and all-star appearances right out of the gate. NHL'ers who have played with him already claim hes going to be a hall of fame and he hasn't even been drafted. In short: he's.that.good.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 26, 2018 at 12:50 p.m.
Thread: The Unthinkable (If ARZ wins the lottery)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Any links to that? All I see is them saying he's an elite top pairing dman similar in ways to Karlsson and Lidstrom. never heard them compare to McDavid.

Make no mistake about it, he's good but I don't think he will be McDavid good.</div></div>

Dobber Hockey says hes a 'sure-fire franchise player, if not a generational player". Other articles say his puck handling abilities are "McDavidesque". Others claim he's far better than Lidstrom at that age, and already a more complete 2 way player than Karlsson. Anders Forsberg, a former Ottawa Senators scout who drafted Karlsson and coached Hedman and Ekman-Larsson as junior-aged players says Darlin is better. Bob Mckenzie says he represents the best of Karlsson, Hedman and Lidstrom COMBINED. 9/10 scouts said he was the unanimous 1st overall pick in September. By December, it was 10/10. He isn't just a good top pairing guy. Hes a FRANCHISE defender with generational skill.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 26, 2018 at 12:17 a.m.