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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:53 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>McDavid missed 7 games that year. Misrepresenting reality doesn't make your point stronger.</div></div>
I just remembered he played 64 or something games that year forgot covid cut it short
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>McDavid missed 7 games that year. Misrepresenting reality doesn't make your point stronger.</div></div>
Sorry i forgot that was the year the league got shut down for covid. Still won MVP though soooo... he can clearly run his own line so i dont see where confusion is coming from. Matthews has one of the best wingers in the league play half the season with him and if its not marner its nylander who is also good. Drai and Mcdavid are together in crunch time and PP thats it
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:51 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>Draisaitl is not decent at defending. He is atrocious at it. No point in debating that. Also points aren't the definitive unit of measurement. Matthews has better even strength offensive metrics, while Draisaitl has better PP offensive metrics. Comparing a player's skill is pretty difficult to do and theres not point in doing so.</div></div>
Doesnt need to be good when youre in the ozone everytime. only thing that makes him a bad defender is he doesnt back check. Once he gets into the zone it almost seems like the puck is out of their end and theyre back on attack right? Yeah they are such different players, this guy is just struggling to say anything about drai that is good, ive made points on how matthews could be better and how drai could be, theyre so different from each other it is hard but i am still taking drai due to contract and production wise, plus playoffs
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:48 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>I guess you're free to believe that. Maybe you'll someday get the chance to test your hypothesis but, for now, they're on the same team for the foreseeable future and neither gets injured often.</div></div>
Tried bringing up the fact that drai won MVP one year when mcdavid was injured for 20 games but that seemed to soar over his head with his tiny little brain that cant comprehend anything unless it comes from him
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:45 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>If only that were true for the likes of Lucic and Eberle then the team wouldn't have had such trouble from 2017 to 2019 :tearsofjoy
However, even the ones he boosts, we're talking ~15 to 20pt boosts on average. Absolutely an incredible feat but, if your insistence is that Drai is just like all the other players McDavid has boosted over time, then Drai would still be a 90-100pt C and, hence, worthy of consideration among the best Cs in the game.</div></div>
15-20 points of drai hes still over 100 points, more than matthews had this year!
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:44 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>I think its silly that you guys are saying one player is objectively better than the other. Drai has produced better in the playoffs sure, but Matthews has been better at pretty much everything else</div></div>
How though, Drai has a better PPG with near 150 games played more, his production is better and consistent. The only thing matthews has on drai is defensive play (drai is still decent at it) and natural goal scoring ability (meaning his shot). Outside of that, Drai is a better passer, better one timer, better powerplay player, penalty killer, and he makes players around him better
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:36 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>Don't have access to those analytics. Thats as much as I can contribute to this. I'm not a Leafs or Oilers fan so they can do the arguing</div></div>
hahaha im not even either. very stubborn fan bases. Both are great players
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:36 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>Man, I think you've reached an irrational point where you refuse to give any credit to Draisaitl. You seem so caught up with the thought that McDavid doesn't get enough credit (trust me, he does) that you've drifted far enough away from reality to not be willing to give credit to a guy who has been voted the league's best passer by his fellow players multiple times, has cultivated among the most uniquely dangerous one-timers, and is perhaps the most dangerous playoff player in the world.</div></div>
He is the best playoff player in the world possibly one of the most dominant ever production wise. Hes to stunned to see that Draisaitl also helps mcdavid, thats what teammates and line mates are supposed to do for each other and turns out they just do it better than matthews and marner do
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:34 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>No it doesn't, because he plays all those PP minutes with McDavid.
Please explain to me how you guys keep missing this.
Or answer this question. Take Marner off the leafs power play and add McDavid. How many more goals does Matthews score with McDavid on that unit?</div></div>
All those PP minutes with Mcdavid, yeah sure but he either scores them or has the primary assist so i am missing the point of what you are trying to say, Mcdavid thrives as much off drai as drai does off of him. Him and Mcdavid have two completely different styles of play that compliment each other that they actually make each other better not just one way? Take drai off of oilers pp and they lose half of there pp success
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:07 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Matthews is better than everyone but McDavid and i will say MacKinnon. You just don't take a defenceman over a centre ever so I wouldn't include Makar in that but Petterson, Hughes, Barkov and maybe Point are all better than Draisaitl. Draisaitl still plays 40% of his 5v5 minutes with McDavid. Can anyone really say with a straight face that he doesn't score over half his 5v5 points in that slice of the pie? Not to mention the PP where he spends 100% of his minutes with McDavid and also gets around half his total points.
I am not saying Draisaitl is a bum, but I think guys who have had 100 Point seasons without having McDavid as a linemate as often as Draisaitl does would add a huge number of points on top of that if they got to play with McDavid. How many goals would Matthews score if everyone was concerned about McDavid and not him?
Draisaitl gets all the credit for his points when McDavid is the generational talent that could be the best ever player. Put him with MacKinnon and how many points does he get? Less than Draisaitl? Nope, I would say he gets a lot more. If Hyman can go from a 60 point player to an 80+ point player, what would that mean for better players who offer more?</div></div>
Im not to sure what to say, tell matthews to draw more penalties then and get more Powerplays. Drai producing on the PP only helps his case that he is better than Matthews, its another aspect of the game Drai is better at. Do you ever notice how Drai makes the players around him better, matthews needs the players around him to make himself better. AM34 is not getting nuge even close to a 100 point season. I am very confused why you think his powerplay numbers are any different, the goals and points still count in the game right? and yeah i know the ploffs doesnt have as many powerplays, well sadly for you Drai is also 10x better in the ploffs? whats your argument
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
Thread:
Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>From a non-biased standpoint, here are my contributions:
Matthews vs Draisaitl analytics cumulative over the last 3 seasons
Matthews:
EVO: 50.0
EVD: 7.4
Off: 58.8
Def: 7.7
GAR: 72.8
WAR: 12.7
Draisaitl:
EVO: 39.7
EVD: -10.3
Off: 61.3
Def: -15.1
GAR: 50.0
WAR: 8.8
Matthews is the better even strength player, and Draisaitl is better on the powerplay. Matthews is also significnatly better defensively. I'd take Matthews of Draisaitl</div></div>
If it really matters, Drai had 7 less points in one run than matthews has in his entire career playoffs wise
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:59 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>From a non-biased standpoint, here are my contributions:
Matthews vs Draisaitl analytics cumulative over the last 3 seasons
Matthews:
EVO: 50.0
EVD: 7.4
Off: 58.8
Def: 7.7
GAR: 72.8
WAR: 12.7
Draisaitl:
EVO: 39.7
EVD: -10.3
Off: 61.3
Def: -15.1
GAR: 50.0
WAR: 8.8
Matthews is the better even strength player, and Draisaitl is better on the powerplay. Matthews is also significnatly better defensively. I'd take Matthews of Draisaitl</div></div>
Over the last 3 years too
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:59 p.m.
Thread:
Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>From a non-biased standpoint, here are my contributions:
Matthews vs Draisaitl analytics cumulative over the last 3 seasons
Matthews:
EVO: 50.0
EVD: 7.4
Off: 58.8
Def: 7.7
GAR: 72.8
WAR: 12.7
Draisaitl:
EVO: 39.7
EVD: -10.3
Off: 61.3
Def: -15.1
GAR: 50.0
WAR: 8.8
Matthews is the better even strength player, and Draisaitl is better on the powerplay. Matthews is also significnatly better defensively. I'd take Matthews of Draisaitl</div></div>
Chuck me the playoff statistics now please
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:59 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>On top of that, the PP Draisaitl is on also has the single best player in the world and possibly the best to ever play the game.</div></div>
He plays with mcdavid 1/3 of the time. its like people saying malkin is only successful because of crosby. they played pp and crunch time together that is it, everything else Malkin did on his own. Drai has won MVP's, shown he is a massive playoff performer, his success is not due to just Mcdavid so get off that train
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:57 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>It's incredible to watch two fanbases so actively try to diminish the accomplishments of two of the league best players :tearsofjoy</div></div>
The only people that will every tell you otherwise is TML fans. Every other fan base and hockey watches who dont cheer for TML are 50/50 on him being top 5 player let alone top 2.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:55 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>It's incredible to watch two fanbases so actively try to diminish the accomplishments of two of the league best players :tearsofjoy</div></div>
HAHAHAH i agree im not even an oil fan, Drai is just straight up the better player
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:55 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Matthews is better than everyone but McDavid and i will say MacKinnon. You just don't take a defenceman over a centre ever so I wouldn't include Makar in that but Petterson, Hughes, Barkov and maybe Point are all better than Draisaitl. Draisaitl still plays 40% of his 5v5 minutes with McDavid. Can anyone really say with a straight face that he doesn't score over half his 5v5 points in that slice of the pie? Not to mention the PP where he spends 100% of his minutes with McDavid and also gets around half his total points.
I am not saying Draisaitl is a bum, but I think guys who have had 100 Point seasons without having McDavid as a linemate as often as Draisaitl does would add a huge number of points on top of that if they got to play with McDavid. How many goals would Matthews score if everyone was concerned about McDavid and not him?
Draisaitl gets all the credit for his points when McDavid is the generational talent that could be the best ever player. Put him with MacKinnon and how many points does he get? Less than Draisaitl? Nope, I would say he gets a lot more. If Hyman can go from a 60 point player to an 80+ point player, what would that mean for better players who offer more?</div></div>
Okay fine take your guy who is invisible in playoffs when it matters. who is better at defensive play and natural goal scoring ability. Ill take drai who is the best playoff player in the NHL right now, Arguably top 2-4 in the league put him wherever you want. Drai has a higher PPG with near 150 more games played than Matthews. If were talking point production, Im taking Drai, playoffs = drai. Plus Drai's deal isnt screwing his team for the enxt 5 years
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:01 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>That's a bunch of made up nonsense. And none of those guys are as good as McDavid. Take Marner, Nylander and JT off the Leafs and give them McDavid and Matthews scores 70+ goals and 140 points. McDavid likely pushes for 175 points. McDavid is the best player in the world and Draisaitl is not the 2nd best player, not by a wide margin. Lots of guys I'd take over him.</div></div>
"Lots" of guys is a stretch Mcdavid, Makar, Mackinnon, Drai, Tkachuk is top 5
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:00 p.m.
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Treliving doesnt play games
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey91</b></div><div>Way worse? Nylander is not much better. Reinhart at 6.5 and 70-80 points is more valuable than Nylander at 10 and 80-90 points</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey91</b></div><div>Way worse? Nylander is not much better. Reinhart at 6.5 and 70-80 points is more valuable than Nylander at 10 and 80-90 points</div></div>
You do also know Reinhart's contract is up this year and hes probably not staying at 6.5 million either soooo for now its Nylander at 6.9 and reinhart at 6.5
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.
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Top 10 Players by Position
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JKCpp</b></div><div>I mean draisaitl defense also under looked he kills penalties and also has had selke votes back in 2019-2020 2020-2021 season he’s not terrible defensively like everyone says he is</div></div>
No, but matthews is superior in his own end compared to drai i believe, but yeah hes not as brutal as people say, tough to suck at defense when youre always in the ozone
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JKCpp</b></div><div>Yeah exactly I’ve always said matthews is one of the most entertaining players to watch I don’t hate him but I just think he’s overrated</div></div>
I mean if he can put up 60 and over 100 points again then i would believe hes not overrated, but yeah he had one really good year and not one singular leafs fan has got off his dick
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 3:49 p.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JKCpp</b></div><div>What I was trying to say was if u take away the supporting cast matthews has he would struggle to be a point per game player due to his inconsistency if draisaitl put up matthew numbers he wouldn’t even be considered a top 20 player that’s how under looked he is if matthews put up draisaitl numbers though people in Toronto would consider him better than McDavid</div></div>
Yeah for sure, TML fans are just nuts and glaze the **** out of him. If drai was better on D the gap between him and matthews would be huge, cause at least matthews is good in his own zone.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JKCpp</b></div><div>Absolutely agree with everything you said here Big W</div></div>
Yeah, im not saying Matthews sucks, Drai is just simply the better player. Matthews isnt making RNH a 100 point player
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.
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Treliving doesnt play games
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HShockey</b></div><div>Why would the leafs do this, it’s a lateral move and you get worse</div></div>
Like they get a way worse player (different play styles but still worse) and a 3rd rounder, insanity. Nylander is a ppg player gonna expect an eichel like return right?
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 30, 2023 at 3:28 p.m.
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Treliving doesnt play games
In the event you are a Toronto Maple Leafs fan, do you not realize how badly they need dman. If they trade Nylander it is going to be for a dman not another forward. Makes no sense
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