I mean if he can put up 60 and over 100 points again then i would believe hes not overrated, but yeah he had one really good year and not one singular leafs fan has got off his dick

No, but matthews is superior in his own end compared to drai i believe, but yeah hes not as brutal as people say, tough to suck at defense when youre always in the ozone

That's a bunch of made up nonsense. And none of those guys are as good as McDavid. Take Marner, Nylander and JT off the Leafs and give them McDavid and Matthews scores 70+ goals and 140 points. McDavid likely pushes for 175 points. McDavid is the best player in the world and Draisaitl is not the 2nd best player, not by a wide margin. Lots of guys I'd take over him.

"Lots" of guys is a stretch Mcdavid, Makar, Mackinnon, Drai, Tkachuk is top 5

Everything u said is non sense

Not at all, I am just blown away at how little credit you give McDavid. Nuge is a 100 point player because of McDavid. Hyman an 80+ point player and Draisaitl never scores 40 without McDavid, I bet if you took McDavid off the Oilers Draisaitl doesn't break 90 points.

McDavid is the best player in the world and no one comes close. No one.

Arguing that Matthews wouldn't be as productive without Marner is silly. Especially when the original statement is McDavid hands Draisaitl major points. The only way any of this can be definitively proven is for Draisaitl to play a full season without McDavid. Zero PP time or 5v5 time. Do you honestly think Draisaitl is going to score 62 pp points in a season if McDavid isn't on that powerplay? Yes without Draisaitl on the Oilers McDavid doesn't get as many points but he still finishes over 100 points no matter who he shares the ice with. Replace Draisaitl with Matthews, MacKinnon, Jack Hughes, Elias Petterson, Tkachuk, Barkov and likely several other guys and they all match or surpass Draisaitl's points totals. Matthews might challenge the single season goal record if him and McDavid were on the ice together. That isn't anything against Marner, it's just the reality of how good McDavid is. He hands 30-50 points to anyone who plays significant time with him. No one is as good as he is, it's not remotely close.

Giving Draisaitl credit for what McDavid does is just disrespectful to McDavid.

One really good season eh? 41 goals in 52 games the year before that doesn't matter eh? Or the fact that he's one of the best defensive centres in the league. Of course you'll likely say that isn't true and Draisaitl is better defensively despite absolutely no evidence to support that.

Last season for example, despite dealing with a nagging wrist injury all season, he scored 40 and also had more defensive touches by a forward than anyone else in the league. Actually had way more than Bergeron. The selke is a joke by the way, just a reputation award that holds no weight once so ever.

Matthews is better than everyone but McDavid and i will say MacKinnon. You just don't take a defenceman over a centre ever so I wouldn't include Makar in that but Petterson, Hughes, Barkov and maybe Point are all better than Draisaitl. Draisaitl still plays 40% of his 5v5 minutes with McDavid. Can anyone really say with a straight face that he doesn't score over half his 5v5 points in that slice of the pie? Not to mention the PP where he spends 100% of his minutes with McDavid and also gets around half his total points.

I am not saying Draisaitl is a bum, but I think guys who have had 100 Point seasons without having McDavid as a linemate as often as Draisaitl does would add a huge number of points on top of that if they got to play with McDavid. How many goals would Matthews score if everyone was concerned about McDavid and not him?

Draisaitl gets all the credit for his points when McDavid is the generational talent that could be the best ever player. Put him with MacKinnon and how many points does he get? Less than Draisaitl? Nope, I would say he gets a lot more. If Hyman can go from a 60 point player to an 80+ point player, what would that mean for better players who offer more?

Backed up with numbers. Draisaitl plays 40% of his 5v5 ice time with McDavid and 100% of his PP offence with him. That means McDavid is on the ice for the vast majority of offence Draisaitl enjoys, you telling me it's Draisaitl making that happen?

Let's be real, take McDavid off the Oilers and replace him with Marner. How many goals is Draisaitl going to score? How many points does he get? As much as he is now? Let's hear it bud.

From a non-biased standpoint, here are my contributions:

Matthews vs Draisaitl analytics cumulative over the last 3 seasons

Matthews:
EVO: 50.0
EVD: 7.4
Off: 58.8
Def: 7.7
GAR: 72.8
WAR: 12.7

Draisaitl:
EVO: 39.7
EVD: -10.3
Off: 61.3
Def: -15.1
GAR: 50.0
WAR: 8.8

Matthews is the better even strength player, and Draisaitl is better on the powerplay. Matthews is also significnatly better defensively. I'd take Matthews of Draisaitl

Once again, you aren't using the filter I mentioned earlier. His linemate finished 3rd in Selke voting, if Draisaitl was playing with Marner his defensive numbers would be better than Matthews + (say) Hyman.

I know this because he already posts better SCA/60 and HDCA/60 numbers than Matthews despite more than twice as many defensive zone starts and significantly fewer OTF starts.

It's hard to believe someone could be so adamantly obtuse about a guy who has averaged over 51 goals and 119 points per 82 games over the past 5 seasons.

The jealousy is strong with this one!

I already gave Drai the notable edge at playoff performance. As for whether his play translates to the playoffs, 8 goals & 17 points in 25 playoff games isn't a huge drop-off from his regular season production, though his the rate of goals drops while his rate of assists is maintained. However, he's still every bit the dominant possession player in the postseason so I'd say it translates at an above average rate.

As for Nurse, I think you'd find that I rate him much higher than most others would. He only just missed this list. If he were a RD, he'd be on it.

Playing with McDavid. Are you going to keep just ignoring the fact that he plays 40% of his 5v5 and all his PP time with McDavid?

On top of that, the PP Draisaitl is on also has the single best player in the world and possibly the best to ever play the game.

McDavid has a commanding lead on offence and everyone that plays with him gets major benefits. Draisaitl plays 40% of his 5v5 time and all his PP with McDavid. That is a huge boost to his offence. No one benefits more than Draisaitl

It's incredible to watch two fanbases so actively try to diminish the accomplishments of two of the league best players

Okay fine take your guy who is invisible in playoffs when it matters. who is better at defensive play and natural goal scoring ability. Ill take drai who is the best playoff player in the NHL right now, Arguably top 2-4 in the league put him wherever you want. Drai has a higher PPG with near 150 more games played than Matthews. If were talking point production, Im taking Drai, playoffs = drai. Plus Drai's deal isnt screwing his team for the enxt 5 years

HAHAHAH i agree im not even an oil fan, Drai is just straight up the better player

I think matthews is one of the most entertaining players to watch I just think he’s extremely overrated

The only people that will every tell you otherwise is TML fans. Every other fan base and hockey watches who dont cheer for TML are 50/50 on him being top 5 player let alone top 2.

He plays with mcdavid 1/3 of the time. its like people saying malkin is only successful because of crosby. they played pp and crunch time together that is it, everything else Malkin did on his own. Drai has won MVP's, shown he is a massive playoff performer, his success is not due to just Mcdavid so get off that train

Chuck me the playoff statistics now please

Over the last 3 years too

If it really matters, Drai had 7 less points in one run than matthews has in his entire career playoffs wise