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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 11, 2019 at 7:38 p.m.
Thread: Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonesryan</b></div><div>Gardiner's a good fit in Montreal if he wants to go there. But he's over $7M annually at minimum otherwise you're not getting him</div></div>

Agreed that unfortunately Gardiner will have to be badly overpaid to come to Montreal. He's been a whipping boy in the Toronto microscope for a long time, even when it was not deserved. Going UFA will be his chance to cash in, and go to a market with lower taxes, better weather, a strong team, and less media attention so he can actually enjoy the next 6-7 years. I have a feeling Montreal fills none of those boxes (more taxes, more snow, even more media).

So the Habs may have to beat other offers by 20% just to compete for Gardiner's services. On top of all that he's been brain-washed to hate the Habs for his entire career. So I think the chances they land him are low. But he would be a good fit.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 7, 2019 at 12:04 a.m.
Thread: Habs Oilers Nurse
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LobbysOilers</b></div><div>so we're retaining 33% of that contract AND paying a 1st and 2nd and a prospect? wow you might be on something strong. nobody needs to get rid of a player that badly. also you cant get nurse for that unless you added the 1st and 2nd rounders and a prospect</div></div>

See response to mk458 above for potential value of Nurse and why it may make sense to move him. No matter how you slice it, he's likely not a top 1-2 defenseman on most teams - Habs current left D is an exception so he is #1 there. Klefbom and Larsson are much better defensively. But I understand that he's very valuable, especially if Sekera can't get back to speed for last few years of his contract.

So regarding the Lucic contract - how many years of McDavid and Draisatl's prime years do you want to burn up while waiting for that Lucic cap hit anchor to be lifted. The Oilers have very little cap flexibility and giving up some high picks 2 years down the road is going to have no effect on the NHL team in the next 3-4 years. Nobody will touch that contract unless the Oilers make the offer sweet enough. And without moving it, the options to rework the team around the young core are very limited.

I'm giving an actual NHL D-man (Kulak) back, so you could say he's equal to a B-level prospect (Safin). So I'm asking for a 2021 1st rounder most likely in 10-20 range as the Oilers trend upward in standings, plus a second round pick in return for $16M worth of Milan Lucic over the next 4 years. You've seen him play recently, do you really want that kind of pain for 4 more years?

I do sincerely hope the Oilers management can turn it around, I want to see them succeed. And the last thing I want to see is Connor McDavid at age 24 so frustrated with a flawed team that he pulls a Panarin-type fit in mid-contract and wants out.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 6, 2019 at 11:49 p.m.
Thread: Habs Oilers Nurse
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jfstompers</b></div><div>You need to add pieces to keep up with toronto and Tampa and Boston even so you sure you want lucic and his dead money. I mean he's really really not good</div></div>

Oh I know he's really really not good these days. I see him all the time where I live, and it's even worse when you're in the arena. But that's why there's a high cost attached to move him out. Lucic can still play a reasonable 3-4 line role and be useful, but he's just way overpaid for the type of player he is now.

I think Montreal can handle some relatively dead money if the price is right - they should not be trying to really compete with Toronto &amp; Tampa in the next couple years, that's a waste of effort. Assuming guys like Tatar and Petry are moved out before they go UFA next year, the Habs shouldn't be hurting for cap space for a couple more years.

Because i'm showing 30 guys on the "depth chart" the cap hit shown is misleading. If you send the younger guys back to junior and AHL and get the roster down to 23, it's actually about $7M in cap space still available in 2019-20
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 6, 2019 at 11:42 p.m.
Thread: Habs Oilers Nurse
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mk458</b></div><div>That first oilers trade is brutal. Nurse is a 6'4" fast skating, hard hitting, defensively sound, offensively gifted top 4 dman who's on pace for 42 points this season. If you want him be prepared to give up something of value. I don't see the Oilers giving him up unless you give us a legit top line winger back. Gallagher at least, but even then, I'd rather have nurse, who's still an rfa after this contract. Just being honest. Nurse is just too good to give up unless we get a great return</div></div>

Thanks for the honesty. You may be right, that he's too good to give up. But I don't think the value is all that far off. Maybe the 3rd rounder goes MTL to Edmonton instead. Essentially the Oilers get two young and relatively proven players for the price of one. They have a lot of gaps to fill with competent players, and I have no doubt Lekhonene and Juulsen are both very competent NHL players just a step down from Nurse's level.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 6, 2019 at 7:03 p.m.
Thread: My final attempt on Nurse
Habs are paying too much I think. Assuming Juulsen's eye injury heals so he's ready to go again next fall, he's a likely future defensive top 4 d-man. And Leks is a well established 3rd liner. I think the Oilers would be crazy not to take this package.

I think Juulsen plus Lekhonen alone would be more than fair value for Nurse. Nurse is likely a career 3-4 d-man. I like him but the Oilers would probably need to add a pick. Maybe Juulsen + Lekhonen for Nurse + 2nd rounder is closer.

As for Lucic - I think the Oilers will have to retain some significant salary on Lucic if they ever want to move that anchor contract out. In your trade you're essentially giving the Oilers a second round pick for Lucic at full cost for 4 years. More likely the Oilers will have to keep some salary, and add another decent roster player and draft pick to the package to move him out.

Maybe i'll give it a try with my own AGM related to same players. And then prepare for a beating from both sides...

Just checked Nurse's stats - he picks up more points than I realized...hmmm