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Armchair-GM
Jul. 10, 2023 at 6:05 p.m.
Thread:
Who says no
We gotta stop trying to make Vancouver and NJ trades happen. They’re horrible trade partners
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 3, 2023 at 11:23 a.m.
Thread:
finishing touches
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JackForHart</b></div><div>We have to give holtz some playing time need him to develop</div></div>
If the choice is beteeen a better cup contending roster, or developing Holtz, you have to take the shot at the cup. It’s not the time to force ice onto the kids anymore
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2023 at 11:29 p.m.
Thread:
Devils won the 1st round by doing nothing
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BrodeurBro30</b></div><div>Would’ve loved to have taken a swing in the first round, since this is a deep draft. I like Meier and Toffoli more though. I’m confident Fitzy will find a gem in the 2nd, like Seamus Casey. There’s a lot of talent available on the board. Future is bright.</div></div>
As long as we don’t get another Chase Stillman idc 😂
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2023 at 11:08 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>Tampa made a bad trade, the value for Colton should've been higher based on many recent trades. As far as it being strange, nah, strange might be watching a team like the Devils win a Cup after 20 years of mostly being irrelevant, but losing a trade, far from it. It's always funny watching fans of teams that have been irrelevant for a decade come out of the woodwork when they finally have even a very small amount of success after so many years of futility.</div></div>
Or they’d understood how trade comps work and actually oversold
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2023 at 11:07 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boltsbeathabs</b></div><div>I'm f***ING sickened</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tbrew</b></div><div>Strange day today, huh?</div></div>
It’s like even devils fans had the brains to see this coming, because thats what looking at trade markets is like
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2023 at 6:10 p.m.
Thread:
cb12
There’s no real reason for NJ to do that. Siegs is a very good D on a great contract. No reason to not just roll with VV and Schmid in this case
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.
Thread:
3 move checkmate
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tbrew</b></div><div>Really can’t see Bahl moving for Colton unless Tampa pays a true premium.</div></div>
I hated typing this, but apparently it turned out to be true
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2023 at 6:05 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>It's a very easy decline from Tampa. A 2nd round pick both does nothing for Tampa now, and it isn't enough anyway. It's great that a writer for the Athletic believes he may be worth something, and when they are an actual GM dealing with Tampa, Tampa fans might care. Tampa is very likely not trading Colton anyway, but if they were to, it would be for the deal they want, not accepting a mediocre return. If N.J. wants him, Tampa would consider it for Bahl+either Boqvist or McLeod, in exchange for Colton+Fleury+mid round pick/B prospect. If Bahl isn't available, Tampa moves on to.another team.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boltsbeathabs</b></div><div>Then she has completely not payed any attention to TB over the last 4 years because anyone who believes that is a complete moron.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boltsbeathabs</b></div><div>What does Julien Brisebois have to do to prove to people he doesn't value picks? This is an utterly useless return for TB. What rational person believes this would be accepted by TB?</div></div>
Strange day today, huh?
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>ah, well. alas. turns out a 2nd wasnt a trash offer after all.</div></div>
How weird
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2023 at 9:35 a.m.
Thread:
3 move checkmate
Really can’t see Bahl moving for Colton unless Tampa pays a true premium.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2023 at 9:18 a.m.
Thread:
Opening Night
We’re going to need to give up more than the rights to a guy signed in Europe and a 25 3rd for Logan Thompson.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 8:31 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LordStanlersCup</b></div><div>make it $25</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>🤝</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>Since you've quoted an entirely different poster to try and support whatever insubstantial point you're trying to make, I won't be responding further to it.</div></div>
Jokes on all of you. Colton is definitely a Sheetz guy
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 7:36 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LordStanlersCup</b></div><div>bros too busy eating pub subs on his jetski for either</div></div>
Already has that jet ski money lying around, and is gonna get a raise. I should’ve been a professional hockey player, which is a totally manageable expectation for career goals
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 7:32 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>I’m not making a point I’m asking a question to the participants of the conversation?!</div></div>
Lol that’s what you think? You should get your algorithms checked I think.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 6:15 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>No, I have, and nothing has changed since your last condescending post. Oh and by the way, a "word salad" would indicate writing that makes no sense grammatically speaking or in its subject matter. I thought I'd provide that for your edification. Again though, thanks for another very helpful post that added so much worthwhile info.</div></div>
A word salad could also be what you’re doing, by gish galloping. Along with other fallacies
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>And again, I don't care about what one specific site may say, as what I have used pretty much lines up with the rosters i create. Again with reporters(or in this case, one reporters opinion), and others that had nothing credible from inside Tampa, but fueled rumors and speculation by saying, "they think Tampa may have offered Killorn a long-term, low aav contract", and Colton is looking for a considerable or significant raise, which then immediately got plastered everywhere as, omg, Colton is pricing himself out of Tampa...There is nothing substantiated.</div></div>
Here is how one specific site’s projections performed. Idr last time they did this chart, but I’m going to asssume it’s better than your own value assessments that you refuse to disclose
<div class="tweet"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nov 11th NHL contract projections update! The model continues to perform well, however, there are still quite a few free agents who have not signed. We projected contracts for a total of 358 free agent skaters, and of those 125 are still unsigned (70 UFA / 55 RFA). <a href="https://t.co/9E7Q0XRoLU" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/9E7Q0XRoLU</a></p>— EvolvingWild (@EvolvingWild) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvolvingWild/status/1326624359637725191?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">November 11, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Anxiety_Hangover</b></div><div>Just tell me you didnt look at the Lightning cap friendly page to see their cap situation instead of this long winded word salad.</div></div>
You’d think a team that has had to send away cap casualties for the last several seasons would have a fanbase that understands that the cap prevents you from keeping everyone
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 5:37 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>Or you know, justifying it based on Tampa's actual needs and not what some Devils fans thought based on one random report. If said reporter is so analytically inclined, there's more than a decent chance they are using some kind of algorithm or comparable tools, to aid in the formulation of their theoretical player values. Keep throwing pitiful shade attempts though, it's always at that point in any kind of discussion where I know that person has nothing of relevance left to contribute, if they ever did.</div></div>
There is literally no algorithm, and it’s based on reporters and insiders doing actual reporting.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>Nah, every roster that I create anyway uses fair market value within a few hundred k, at most. Perhaps I don't use whatever model or chart you consider, but I don't really care tbh. Tampa will run 21 if they have to, yes, especially if that's the difference between Colton or not. More than likely, Tampa will just go a bit cheaper with the extra F or 3LD, and they'll run 22.</div></div>
Literally the first roster on your profile doesnt line up with with contract projections per Evolving Hockey.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:43 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Anxiety_Hangover</b></div><div>You see the big lettering on the top left hand of this site that says Cap Friendly? You should click on it and look at the lightning's cap situation.</div></div>
21 man rosters can work fine! It can even be 22 if we pay below market value for every Free Agent!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:42 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>Lol, cool story. Too bad ppl thought your trade was terrible, told you why it sucks for Tampa, and then you had nothing good in response but spinning the same false narrative about Tampa having to move him.</div></div>
Funnily enough no one can justify it being such a terrible trade, except for blaming the algorithm that doesn’t exist
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:30 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Anxiety_Hangover</b></div><div>Colton is coming to NJ for peanuts and you'll just have to deal with it. Tampa could use that pick since they traded the next decade worth of picks for a 4th line player.</div></div>
Algorithm says so
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>21 if they have to. Whatever algorithm the reporter likely used as part of their analysis and calculation of supposed trade value. The analysts you listed and have cited from poorly, have very rarely been right about supposed moves from Tampa, since very little accurate info leaks from Tampa before any deal is basically done. Perhaps if you had done the step of seeing what Tampa actually would want in a trade, a reasonable offer could have been made, but that's quite seldom the case from N.J..fans on here with Tampa trades involving Colton.</div></div>
Which algorithm? The algorithm which is definitely real?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:00 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HeadHighSauce</b></div><div>Don’t worry, you don’t need to. I’ve looked at all the rosters of 21 “on here” and they’re laughably unrealistic.</div></div>
Yea, but that’s because your algorithm shows it, and in reality brisboizzzzz can do it
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>Not doing the work for you, and I'm done here. The trade is terrible for Tampa's position and what they value and actually need.</div></div>
So you don’t have a way to justify your assessment of Colton’s value, just off just the top of your head?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.
Thread:
Restore the Shore and robbinsville
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTBF81</b></div><div>It is subpar because it is not what Tampa needs.i'm not sure how many times this can.be said on here by ppl who know Tampa's situation well. Tampa could care less about a later 2nd round pick. If they are going to move a player that is slotted to be a top 6 winger for many years to come, they will need to get back players of value that help them now. A cost controlled 3LD and bottom 6 F is what they would value.
Since they have no need to move him, the acquiring team can meet their price or the trade just doesn't happen. Brisebois should care less what some algorithm says, as he is not in a position to.toss Colton for what another team thinks.is fair,.but what Tampa actually wants(or close to it).
There's really nothing else left to discuss, as I and many Tampa fans.have already made this same position clear on literally dozens of Colton to.N.J threads where N.J..fans make a great offer for them, while not taking into account what Tampa would want and thinking Tampa has little recourse, until once again corrected by Tampa fans.</div></div>
How are you measuring Ross Colton’s value on the trade market though, without looking at similar comps? And why does this immediately write off the option of a reputable reporter?
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