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Armchair-GM
May 15, 2023 at 9:40 p.m.
Thread:
Penguins 24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>That's the assumption I was working on.</div></div>
Yeah I'll admit that's my bad on that one. I hadn't thought of that when I posted.
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Armchair-GM
May 15, 2023 at 6:22 p.m.
Thread:
Penguins 24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>That doesn't get you Helle.
Domi overpaid and not worth it for 3c, he's not good defensively.
I'd bring DOC back to play with Poehling
Don't mind some of the other players, but you're probably under on the $ for Zucker.</div></div>
Honestly I don't hate that Domi isn't defensive, I'd rather have the age and skill to score. I do think I undersold Hellebuyck a bit, but I don't feel too incredibly far off. I think maybe Legare and a conditional would be the next step I would add.
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Armchair-GM
May 15, 2023 at 6:19 p.m.
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Penguins 24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SKWPG</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Turf_Wind_and_Fire</b></div></div>
You didn't just compare an average goalie like Fleury that has had a few lucky games in his life to a Vezina Award winning goalie like Helly in his prime? Nah... you couldn't have. You just misunderstand the whole thread. Ya, that's it.</div></div>
You mean literal Vezina winner Fleury. You mean three time Stanley Cup champion Fleury? You mean William M. Jennings Award winner Fleury? You mean Olympic Gold Medalist Fleury?
Yeah. I meant that Fleury.
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Armchair-GM
May 15, 2023 at 5:59 p.m.
Thread:
Penguins 24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SKWPG</b></div><div>A multi-year Vezina nominated goalie and winner for a couple of picks and nobody? HAHHAHAAHHAAHHAH... WPG doesn't even respond.[/
https://www.nhl.com/news/marc-andre-fleury-traded-to-chicago-by-vegas/c-325822944</div></div>
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Armchair-GM
May 15, 2023 at 5:50 p.m.
Thread:
Penguins 24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JuanDamienNebraska</b></div><div>Bruh.</div></div>
Good bruh or bad bruh?
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Armchair-GM
May 15, 2023 at 5:50 p.m.
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Penguins 24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyIsMyPassion61</b></div><div>That offer for Connor Hellebuyck is easily beaten.
Plus why would Hellebuyck waste his time on a Pens team, Who's window is closing in 3 years when Crosby and Malkin retire and Pittsburgh goes straight into the crapper,</div></div>
I don't entirely disagree. I was still writing my explanation when you posted. Hellebuyck has a year left on his contract. Pens need a better starting goalie and are in win now mode. Jets are seemingly going to rebuild moving forward and Hellebuyck has made it very clear that he doesn't want to be a part of that. Again, probably should've thrown another pick towards Hellebuyck, but we also live in an age where Fleury won a Vezina and was traded for a bag of pucks.
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Armchair-GM
May 15, 2023 at 5:45 p.m.
Thread:
Penguins 24
Here are my own faults with this team, but what I would at least run with:
- Domi is overpaid probably, but I wanted to try and field a realistic offer that he would accept.
- Hellebuyck is based on reports that he does not want to be a part of a rebuild. I actually think I should have maybe given another pick, but he is in the last remaining year of his contract, so I figured to just run with it.
- Donato is also probably overpaid, but that is by design to create a bit more of a gap to make signing Guentzel a lot easier.
- Buying out Carter doesn't do anything honestly, but it was the easiest way to free up a roster spot. Again, I've heard this thrown around, and really you could make the argument that Legare or Pederson would be swapped with Carter and he would just be scratched.
- I'm actually somewhat confident on my Zucker signing that it could be somewhat close to reality since he gets a bit of term with the $3.25 mil.
- Engvall and Kirivanta are both lower guys who I think really round out the lower lines nicely without demanding too much from the cap.
- The D is probably the weakest area, but I'm banking on PO Joseph and Ty Smith developing into halfway decent players.
I'm sure there are a bunch of issues that will get pointed out but hey this is what I could come up with while trying to play in the (vaguely) realistic sandbox.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 30, 2022 at 11:00 p.m.
Thread:
Possible
Wait, why are they so many players on LTIR?
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 30, 2022 at 10:57 p.m.
Thread:
Adding Some Parts Moving Bad Contracts
Rutta plays either side and you're making it sound like we can only have one of Petry or Shattenkirk . . . which doesn't make sense?
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 29, 2022 at 4:38 a.m.
Thread:
Adding Some Parts Moving Bad Contracts
Yeah, I'll admit I'm not thrilled about adding another right-handed defenseman, but I felt like Shattenkirk for Zucker was a decently fair trade compared to what they could get from the Ducks (I didn't bother with picks on either trade just because, but looking back I could definitely see the argument in sending a 3rd or 4th round pick to Anaheim). I'll be honest that the original version of this deal I toyed with was Petterson and Zucker for Silverberg and Danny O'Reagan. But swapping Silverberg and Zucker doesn't make a lick of sense contract wise, as they're basically they same. And while Anaheim is not in a win now mode, I don't think they're completely rinsed in this trade. Zucker, when healthy, is a fast and dependable winger. If it weren't for the fact that the Pens have some weird curse for them and wingers who should be decent (Brassard and Perron come to mind), I would actually say they should hang onto Zucker and see what happens. But this is the third time that a winger who is a perfect fit for them ends up being something of a bust. And honestly, nothing else really seemed to make sense in a lot of ways. I guess you could do a swap for Derek Grant, but as I found out this would be his second stint with the Penguins, and considering I had to stumble upon that to remember that, I don't think he'll be a good fit or worth it for Zucker.
For Anaheim, you get one year of Zucker at 5.5 mil. He is basically playing for a contract for the year after. He does well? Great! You renegotiate him for a cheaper deal and can have him stick around. He doesn't work out? He's only on the books for a year for a team that has some great young talent. And looking at your defensive core, you have a super young group who can easily step up and grow into that role, OR you can make a nice signing with the plethora of available defensemen for a cheaper deal. Pittsburgh gets the benefit of another puck moving defenseman who can score goals, which is what they need badly. You have Teddy Blueger who is one of the best defensive forwards in the game at the moment, as well as two great defensive players in Danton Heinen and Brock McGinn. I'm admittedly not super familiar with Boyd, and really he just seemed to fit the bill of a a lower line player who can add to the depth.
So in theory here's how this trade made sense to me:
- Pittsburgh dumps two bad contracts to teams that need to make cap floor.
- Anaheim gets Jason Zucker for a year. On top of that, he's a pure winger, which Anaheim needs badly, and if you can keep him healthy, he could easily get back up to being close to a 20 goal scorer.
- Pittsburgh gets another puck moving defenseman with a shot for a powerplay that, frankly, was either red hot or ice cold. Sullivan has a knack of being able to deploy offensive defenseman in lower pairings and make them look like all stars (you're welcome Justin Schultz). This plays nicely into Pittsburgh's style of play on the lower lines, especially with the fourth line, which can generate some buzz in the corners and dig the puck out back up to the blue line for some shots on net.
- Arizona gets Marcus Petterson who is a solid defensive defenseman, a little on the younger side, and while he is over-paid I do think he brings more good than bad to the table. As with the Zucker trade, you could make the argument of adding a pick going from Pittsburgh (nothing higher than like a 5th though) and I could get behind the justification.
- Pittsburgh, now with their available cap, goes out and gets Sonny Milano for about $2 mil (given that Evolving Wild is estimating he'll get a contract in the $1.05 mil range, I over shot just to be safe). If you miss out on him, I think Paul Statsny is a valid option after. Basically you see if you can get him to be Jeff Carter 2.0, and if Crosby or Malkin both are out (please for the love of god, just let both of them be healthy for a year) then you have someone who can step into that center role, and basically help carry the load that Jeff Carter and 1st line center Evan Rodriguez had to carry for a while. Again, Sonny is the better option, but I do like Statsny in that role as well.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 28, 2022 at 7:23 p.m.
Thread:
Adding Some Parts Moving Bad Contracts
Also, I should say that this is by no means a perfect solution. But the biggest goal is getting Zucker and Petterson's contracts somewhere else <strong>without</strong> having to retain cap. That, to me, is the most important thing.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 28, 2022 at 7:22 p.m.
Thread:
Adding Some Parts Moving Bad Contracts
My thoughts were as follows: Anaheim has to make cap floor for next year, and you have an aging Shattenkirk who isn't going to be the guy to propel you into a playoff spot any time soon. You take on Zucker, who does have a decent potential upside if he can stay healthy. Pens get Shattenkirk to try and replicate the Justin Schultz effect and deploy him in specific situations would be a bonus. The real goal is to get that roughly 2 mil in cap space, as well as move Petterson to fill in their lower lines with guys who are low risk - high reward. Pens would only be paying for Shattenkirk for a year and if it doesn't work he can go to the market. Boyd is under 2 mil and if he just has to be average to add to the Pens lower lines. Picking up Sonny does about the same thing as Boyd, only with a much better upside. And if you really wanna get crazy with it, you can swap out Sonny Milano for Paul Statsny by offering him somewhere in the $3.25 mil range (which is an over-payment admittedly) for a guy who can provide center depth if needed. And all this adds to the biggest point - this is a team in win now mode. Next year, they potentially look at having $20 mil worth of space and with their main stars locked up. You can take the risk of bringing in the older guys like Shattenkirk, since their contract is on the way out. Anaheim and Arizona both get something they can use, a decent forward/defenseman and, more importantly, players who can get them to the cap floor while still being effective.
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