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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 1, 2022 at 11:18 p.m.
Thread: Having fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>UBS_ARENA</b></div><div>Thats kinda true (nelson, pageau are still in their primes but getting older) but that doesmt mean to trade a top pair RHD in his prime on a great deal. This team is built from the net out. Severely weakening the D to help a forward group that even with nylander would be below average while getting rid of any advantage the D would have is a horrible idea. Not to mention that the value just isnt there for NYI.</div></div>

Yeah they were the guys I was thinking of as "leaving their primes". Ie theyre not past their primes yet but they're at the end of them.

But yeah trading pulock would be a surprising move for the islanders. But if they feel Dobson can take over and it can make a big help to the team I suppose it's not impossible
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2022 at 3:55 p.m.
Thread: Goat head is back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>Demko is a top 4 goalie in the league just behind Sorokin at #3. Pettersson is better than Barzal. Think about what package you want would for Barzal and Sorokin, and then add more simply because our defense is in shambles and losing Demko would make us a lottery team whereas the Isles actually have sustainable defense</div></div>

it's definitely a "three quarters for a dollar" type of trade, but like I said up top, the only way this even gets considered is if Vancouver does a full 180 on their organizational direction. I still think more needs to be added, but if i'm tearing everything down, I think a return that starts with guys picked in the first round this year and last year, plus 1sts next year and the year after, plus a couple decent young NHL-ready guys, it's a good place to start. I think I'd push for one of JJ Peterka or Jack Quinn to get added to this package, but if you could get that, the package would literally be a "Rebuild In A Box" - 2 1sts, 2 top prospects, plus a trio of U23 F/D/G players to build around.

editing to add: to answer your question, if something awful happened and the Isles had to tear it all down, I wouldn't hate this package for a Barzal/Sorokin trade. Basically values each guy at a young roster player, a top prospect, and a 1st, with an extra young player with upside thrown in. Not exactly the Eichel deal, but a good starting to point. Of course, if the Isles are in the position to make that kind of deal, there are going to be some super depressing winters in my future...
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2022 at 3:49 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2022 at 3:28 p.m.
Thread: Goat head is back
-oooh baby i love a big swing, and this is a capital-b Big one. couple things: this would require Vancouver to make a massive shift in team philosophy from "on the cusp contender" to a full teardown. secondly, you are taking back -at least- one bad contract, probably Tucker Poolman since he has longer term than Jason Dickinson. He's your problem now. Lastly, I think Vancouver wants just a little more here. They're strong assets, sure, but this is basically the Eichel trade AND a top-10 goalie trade rolled into one. Remove the protections on the pick, throw one of Devon Levi or Erik Portillo in, and I think you've got something brewing.

-Skip this one if you included him in the Vancouver deal; otherwise, if he's definitely not signing, sure, get something back for him.

-Same vibe, Mittlestadt could use a change of scenery and I'm sure someone sends back a mid-rounder to take a flyer on a reclamation project.

-Probably no if Cizikas needs to be included - the vibe around the Isles fandom is that Lou gave Casey his 6x$2.5M because Seattle was dangling 3x$5M and the Islanders didn't have the cap. So Lou gives Casey the same money spread out over longer term, and I'm sure there's some sort of informal "we won't trade you early in the deal" type of handshake thing going on. Lou is very loyal to his "guys", and Casey truly feels like one to me. I'd also question why you'd target a physical 32-year old 4C with 4x$2.5M left as the guy in that trade when you could probably get a more useful prospect or even potentially get a little more back taking Josh Bailey's expiring $5M back in that deal.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2022 at 4:31 p.m.
Thread: Dobson Miller swap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GenXHockey</b></div><div>He's flipping a young D for two veterans. Time to put in the Lou goggles. Lou re signs Miller and most likely overpays myers when his deal expires.

Lou has no issue moving out young talented Dmen and loves his vets.

Is this a trade you and I would make if we ran the islanders? No! But you can't claim to know what's going on in Lou's mind unless you're typing replies from a mental facility.</div></div>

I can't claim to know what's going on in his mind, true (neither can you FWIW), but for a guy that's been a GM since 1987, I sure as hell can look at a *ton* of trades that he's made in the past. And, like I said, he never has moved a player like Dobson for veteran help. He moves 1sts and prospects all the time, sure, but he doesn't move young roster players like Dobson. The only trade in his history that lines up with what you're saying is when he was forced to move Devon Toews because of the flat cap during the beginning of the pandemic - an outlier situation that literally has no bearing on what he'd give up for JT Miller.