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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 21, 2020 at 2:09 p.m.
Thread: Prospects for cap relief
I like Perunovich - we need an offensive LD in the pipeline. I'd also be happy to take on Allen for a decent goalie tandem. Steen idk, we've got a bit of a log jam for bottom 6 forwards. That being said this is an overpay. We can get a Perunovich caliber d prospect (i.e. second pair upside) with the 32nd pick. Lindström is likely a third pair dman with a lower ceiling but higher floor than Perunovich; he looked like a legit NHLer on his call up this year. I'd say conservatively, Lindström's trade value is a late 2nd early 3rd round pick, as is Glendening's.
So the trade breaks down to an early 2nd and 2 late 2nds for Steen (who has negative value), Allen (who maybe has no value to late pick value), and Perunovich who has late first value.

I'd rather trade that package to move up from 32nd to a late teens pick.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13, 2020 at 5:29 p.m.
Thread: Sergachev Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redw1n9s</b></div><div>lol it was a trade to move up in the draft, dipsh*t...the season wasnt over yet it was just a placeholder.

Boston moved what they felt was necessary, which was Hamilton, and took the best offer. They have Carlo and McAvoy on the right side so he was expendable. Ever heard of context much? Bottom line, that trade for Serg is laughable, like the rest of them. Fabbri doesn't have much value and Cholo is like any of their D prospects they already have. In no way, shape, or form is that remotely close for a 22 year old top pairing Dman in the NHL. TB will move out Killorn or Johnson or whoever else to make room for Serg.


GET OVER IT</div></div>

Try checking the standings before making a team otherwise you look like a fool.

Carlo and McAvoy weren't even drafted when they made that trade; how's that for context?

Fabbri is a 24 year old who was on pace for a 50 point season in his Wings games. While playing on the lowest scoring team in the league, his scoring rate would rank 6th best among Tampa forwards. Combine that with a 2 year $1.5M effective cap hit from the trade and he absolutely has first round pick value for Tampa. They gave up a first for Goodrow largely because of his cap friendly deal.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13, 2020 at 2:51 p.m.
Thread: Sergachev Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redw1n9s</b></div><div>You're just flat out wrong....move on

" A deal for Serg starts with Hronek or next year's 1st.". There's your sign.</div></div>

Your entire argument depends on you ignoring the first Hamilton trade, which is the best comparison available. Why didn't Boston move out contracts to keep their young star? I thought you said "that's how it works"? Yet in light of evidence proving you wrong you don't change your argument; it's pretty clear you're delusional and have no grasp of how the NHL works. At 22, Hamilton was a better d prospect than Sergachev and had a higher trade value, yet he was traded for about the same value that I offered. The fact that Hronek for Sergachev 1for1 is also a fair value trade doesn't change that what I proposed is also fair value. Would you recommend I trade Fabbri to move back in the draft?
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 12, 2020 at 5:56 p.m.
Thread: Sergachev Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redw1n9s</b></div><div>lol try the most recent Hamilton trade...that's the value. TB isn't gonna settle on value because theyre cap-strapped. They will move contracts necessary to keep their stars. That's how it works.

Bottom line, that trade for Serg is almost as absurd as anything else I've seen here. A deal for Serg starts with Hronek or next year's 1st.</div></div>

You asked me to look for a comparable and I provided almost exactly the same scenario with 22 year old Hamilton. Now you're saying the trade for a 25 year old Hamilton is a better comparable? Buddy I'm not the one with flawed logic here. I'd think you were a troll, but seeing your GM team where you used Fabbri and the SJS pick to trade back for MTL's, it's obvious you're just uninformed.
See the rest of the comments for the Hronek for Sergachev trade - when you include Hronek's contract premium he holds about the same trade value as Sergachev.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11, 2020 at 8:20 p.m.
Thread: Sergachev Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redw1n9s</b></div><div>Your logic is completely flawed. Sergachev is a top pair Dman under 25 (under 22 lol).<strong> You should take a look at what top pair Dmen go for in the NHL these days</strong>...this isn't even remotely close to realistic value</div></div>

You mean like when a 22 year old Dougie Hamilton (former 9th OA pick) got traded from a cap tight team after a 42 point (and 48 point pace) season for a 1st (15th) and 2 2nds (45th and 52nd). Or when a 25 year old Jacob Trouba (former 9th OA pick) got traded from a cap tight team after a 50 point season for a 1st (20th) and Neal Pionk. Sergachev (former 9th OA pick) is on a cap tight team, will be 22 when this trade would happen, and just came off a 40 point pace season. You have any better comparisons of real trades?
Now ask yourself if Tampa - a cap tight team in their competitive window - would rather only get picks or a cheap, young, 50 point pace forward, a cheap, young, bottom pair D with 2nd pair potential, and a 32nd OA pick. Those contracts alone come with a huge premium for Tampa, as we saw at the trade deadline in the Coleman and Goodrow trades.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11, 2020 at 7:13 p.m.
Thread: Sergachev Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redw1n9s</b></div><div>Your logic is completely flawed. Sergachev is a top pair Dman under 25 (under 22 lol). You should take a look at what top pair Dmen go for in the NHL these days...this isn't even remotely close to realistic value</div></div>

Take a minute to look at Tampa's cap situation, adjust yourself to reality, then come back. They will lose either lose Sergachev for less than what I proposed or they match an offer sheet and lose Cirelli. If there's a CBO or they move Johnson out then it becomes a different situation. But Sergachev for 2 players who improve Tampa's roster and the 32nd OA pick vs. A late 1st, 2nd, and 3rd is an easy choice.
Once you begin to grasp the reality of their cap situation it becomes clear that they won't get full value on any player they decide to move.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11, 2020 at 12:10 p.m.
Thread: Sergachev Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redw1n9s</b></div><div>This a lowball offer for Sergachev lol</div></div>

For context, I've been seeing trades like Cholowski + a 3rd for Sergachev. What needs to be considered is a competitive team with cap space like Wpg can offer sheet him for 8.4M and only give up a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Tampa can't match that while retaining Cirelli and Cernak, and the picks they get back are all likely late in each round. I would say my offer gives quite a bit more than that.
The 32nd pick is essentially a late first. Fabbri is a former 1st round pick with a couple years term at a 1.5M cap hit and a 50 pt pace scorer on the lowest scoring team - he's worth a 1st to Tampa. And Cholowski is another former 1st on a very cheap deal who is very capable of playing a 3rd pair/pp2 role on a team like Tampa who can give him O-zone starts and a capable D partner - he's worth a 2nd to Tampa.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 2, 2020 at 2:52 p.m.
Thread: Turris Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>villenash</b></div><div>At least from a NSH perspective, this is a trade that keeps the phones on for sure. Not sure if it is quite enough on the NSH side, but I think it's closer than others are saying. Too many bad Turris trades on here - sure he's not amazing, but he's still a 40-50 point center. Last season was more of an anomaly than a warning - he had a foot/ankle injury all season. Now he's healthy and on pace for 42 points over 82 games this season playing with mostly Watson, Sissons, etc. He's been playing with better players recently, and he's playing better because of it. He's gotten the shaft in NSH for most of this season and last. Hopefully Hynes keeps using him like he is now with more offensive players.</div></div>


Yeah I was trying to think of a precedent for a salary dump deal where the player still has some value. I think the tough part for Nashville is Turris's deal runs through when key players need to get resigned; it's not too ugly now but it will be eventually. I agree some people are crazy thinking Nashville will give the kitchen sink to get out of this.