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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 4 at 8:15 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 4 at 12:35 p.m.
Thread: T4D PKF
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Haymaker26</b></div><div>Again, you remove context and misunderstand what I say. I'm not comparing him to Smith's first season. I am comparing *right now*.
Smith is scoring like that in his prime and in 2nd line minutes. Robertson is scoring like that in his 1st full season and in 4th line minutes.
Robertson isn't "the next Reilly Smith". That's where he is *now*, not where I expect him to be.

"They don't send guys who have shown something back to the AHL." Someone break the bad news to Logan Stankoven. Don't act like GMs and coaches are infallible.

"A good player but by no means elite." I love the guy and think he's super underrated. But I don't think GMs would bite on a blue-chip prospect and a 1st for Pettersson.</div></div>

Right. Smith right now. In an underwhelming season where he looks lost. That's not a good comparison for your POV (Robertson is good). Now, I will say he has the chance to be a good top 6 winger, but based on everything we've seem so far, he will likely end up somewhere near where Reilly Smith is.

Smith on a good team with a good fit (last year) scored 26 goals and had 56 points. He has 5 seasons of 20+ goals.

Also Robertson commonly plays with Domi and Jarnkrok (3rd line), not the 4th line.

I'm not trying to fight you, I also like Robertson. But, realistically his ceiling is Smith, a good top 6.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 4 at 10:14 a.m.
Thread: T4D PKF
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Haymaker26</b></div><div>Please explain to me how having a similar scoring pace as Reilly Smith with less TOI and being much younger = hasn't shown anything yet.

And a comparison to Nail Yakupov, especially his OHL numbers, doesn't make a convincing argument. Yakupov scored really well in the OHL, that's why he went 1OA. He wasn't able to turn that into NHL success. That means nothing when talking about any other player.
But if we want to play that game:
Nick Robertson: 55 goals, 86 points in 46 games
Jason Robertson: 41 goals, 87 points in 68 games
And look how well Jason's turned out at the NHL level.</div></div>

A similar scoring pace to Reilly Smith? The same Reilly Smith who everyone says hasn't worked out in Pittsburgh and needs to go? I don't think that's the guy you want to use.

He also has less TOI because he has been sent to the AHL many times. They don't send guys who have shown something back to the AHL.

I used Nail, not to show Robertson was a bust or going to be a bust (as I stated above), but to state that guys who scored big in the OHL don't always translate to the NHL and become elite.

You mentioned Reily Smith. Let's look at his first full season at 22: 20 goals, 31 assists in 82 games. So to me, it looks like Robertson could be the next Reilly Smith. A good player but by no means elite.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 3 at 8:58 p.m.
Thread: Trades for Jake
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PensGMwannabe</b></div><div>Vancouver's deal is clearly the best for the Pens. I don't think we will be getting Lekkerimaki for a rental Jake though. Hope I'm wrong.

Carolina was in on EP40, they are clearly looking to do something. Wonder if they would make an aggressive offer for Jake?

Maybe Trotz in Nashville. He seems to be an aggressive GM, always wanting to add offense.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>theleano1</b></div><div>Canucks pass way to much to give up</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>stuuuuuuuuuuutzle</b></div><div>Pittsburgh wants two quality prospects. Edmonton does not have those and Vancouver is probably not ready to give up theirs. You're going to have find a better trade partner or do like Arizona had to do with Chychrun last year and get far less than you want</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Epic_Ninja_Dude</b></div><div>Don't think the Canucks would be willing to do that. Hoglander has been great this year, and will be expected to step up into a more prominent role next year. Getting a potential top 6 forward on a bargain $1M contract will be a major asset for a cap strapped team in Vancouver. Lekkerimaki is also untouchable, only possible situation I can see the Canucks trading him is in a deal for a under 25 top pairing right-handed defenceman with term.</div></div>

So I will say this about Van that makes me think they would be in:
1.) This year they are on pace to get 30 more points than last year. If this this is lightning in a bottle, run with that. If this year is a turning point for them, they don't need to hit on all of their prospects to maintain.
2.) Hoglander is a nice piece but they don't have the space to overpay a middle 6 guy who (maybe) becomes a top 6 guy.
3.) Lekkerimaki is still in Europe. He looks great but it's a large gamble.
4.) Mikheyev is worth a negative 3rd, Raty is worth a 1st. The Pens could take both and lose a 2nd as a part of the Guentzel trade to sweeten the pot a bit for Van.
5.) With losing Raty and Lekkerimaki, Vancouver still has 3 top 100 prospects and great young players.

I think they make great partners.