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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 1:03 a.m.
Thread: 2 sides of a Marner trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WN88</b></div><div>I guess that's reasonable under the assumption that you're taking a risk. Perhaps this is a bit far-fetched, but I think, hypothetically, any team Marner would waive for would also likely be a team he'd extend with. I can't really speak on the trade rumours. All I can say is it's incredibly sad to see just how many "fans" and people in the media want to see the destruction of a team.

I've watched just about every game of the Matthews/Nylander/Marner era. I can assure you that Marner would be a 100-point player away from Auston Matthews. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you could put him with borderline fourth-liners, and he'd still reach that mark. But I'm certain that you could expect at least 90-100 points if you slid him into just about any team's top-6.</div></div>

As a fan of the team that signed Johnny Gaudreau: I'm skeptical. Without support, it's too easy for NHL defenses to swarm one player, especially if they're undersized and primarily a playmaker.

Marner is an incredibly valuable player, and Minnesota probably gives you the best potential package just because they're looking for another elite talent to go alongside Boldy/Kaprizov. But the return really comes down to three things:

1) If the Leafs are going to make changes to the core four, he's the one. Matthews and Nylander aren't going anywhere, and Tavares is a $6M player making $11M; you're likely giving him away if you want to get rid of the whole contract. The Leafs wanting to move Marner is the worst kept secret in hockey, so teams are looking to take advantage of that.

2) If you do move Mitch, not many teams can take an $11M cap hit, so you're either retaining or limiting the number of suiters, which would decrease a potential return.

3) Mitch has a full NMC. He's not going to waive that and just say "send me wherever you get the best package", he's going to use that to pick his spot and force Toronto to trade him to one of a select few locations (like when Kaberle was traded, the list was: Boston...and that's it).

If I'm honest, I think Minnesota has to make that pick this year's 1st (13 OA) if they're going to have Toronto retain even ~$3M, but if you get Rossi, Gustavsson, and 13OA...take that and run. A starting-caliber goalie that's only 25 and locked up to a reasonable deal, a potential 2C of the future (which Toronto desperately needs if Tavares regresses), and 13OA? Use the pick, or the extra ~$6.5M in cap space and free agency, to fix the D.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 7:40 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 29 at 11:08 a.m.
Thread: Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>What are Marner’s trade protections?</div></div>

Matthew Tkachuk.

Florida had to pay him big money with a 1 year of term. Marner will have to be paid big money with a year of term. Same age range, same point totals. They couldn't be closer except, of course, the playoff pedigree but Tkachuk wasnt proven in the playoffs then (15pts in 23 g) as he was coming off a loss to the Oilers, I think the lack of success has more to do with the Leafs than Marner just like it was with the Flames rather than Tkachuk. Marner actually has a better PPG in the playoffs than Tkachuk at the time (47PTs in 50G)
Mitch can play in the dirty areas that is how he gets his pts in the regular season. This has a lot to do with coaching and pressure in Toronto.
Marner would be slightly less valuable.

Whomever gets Marner will be getting a star player in the league. TOP5 RW
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 22 at 6:15 p.m.
Thread: Two Leafs One Sword
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WN88</b></div><div>Only thing about this trade is that we already have Minten and Holmberg who, although not as good (yet), could serve the same role as Roy would, while at a much lower cap hit. The progress Holmberg has made this season has given me hope that he can be a full-time reliable, all-situations 3C for us next year. I mean, he’s pretty much already playing that role for us in right now, and he certainly hasn’t looked out of place.</div></div>

The issue with Minten is that he’s not NHL ready within Toronto’s cup window - which is now. Toronto’s lack of centre depth has haunted them for years and if they wanna win during the Matthews/Marner/Nylander era then they need help now while those guys are in their primes. Worst case let’s say Minten surprises everyone and makes the team outta cap next season, then plah him at 3C and insert Roy at 2C because it should be time for Tavares to move to the wing anyways.

Maybe we have different opinions on Holmberg, because personally I don’t see him as anything more than a 4th liner. The effort is there but I don’t see the skill for a higher role. I don’t see him as a centre either - he needs to drastically improve his faceoffs for the role so outside of a decent depth player, I don’t see much value in him and I think he’s replaceable and needs to be upgraded
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 29 at 5:37 p.m.
Thread: There Isnt Enough Money
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Domi since Marner's injury has stepped up the playmaking role and has more 5 on 5 assists than even the big 4

Believe he's tied for 6th in the NHL

If it was between either guy for an extension lean more to Domi. Bertuzzi I would still pay just not in the 5m range

That said to improve the D got a feeling Bertuzzi's gone in FA anyways</div></div>

5 games besides matthews isnt really impressive, and he's still an absolute black hole defensively. I pay 1/4 more for Bertuzzi every day of the week, especially since he actually contributes to team defence and fits beside both Tavares and Matthews. You get basically the same cap space if you just dont sign edmundson to play 7th D and you still come out ahead on both goals for and against