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Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 2:30 am
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>No doubt Trotz is a very good coach, but they would have made the playoffs with another coach such as gallant or DJ smith. I don't think those coaches would stubbornly play a bottom 5 defenseman in the league (boychuk) instead of dobson who proved he was NHL ready back in October.<strong> I don't think some fans realize how much one awful player can negatively impact a team-</strong> giving boychuk more minutes after pelechs injury in January singlehandedly put the isles season on life support. That's on trotz. Fans who don't follow the isles closely just assume that he carries a bunch of fringe NHLers to the playoffs, when that isn't the case.

Most of his career pageau has been a borderline 2C. His counting numbers have never been great, but his rate/underlying numbers have always been solid when you take into account quality of teammates and deployment (mostly defensive zone starts, yet is a strong play driver 5v5). Pageau is known for carrying below replacement level players and still being able to have a positive impact in terms of expected goals %.</div></div>

as a pens fan... I know too well.

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just looking at his numbers on this website through the years, yeah his offensive zone starts is very low like you said, but besides 2020, his 5v5 numbers haven't looked great at all. Im sure quality of teammates is definitely an issue, but I still would never view him as a 2C on a cup team.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 2:02 am