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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 1, 2022 at 9:11 a.m.
Thread: If I was GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>I think he provided trade comps similar to what Cat got to show that it was an outlier. That deal isn’t the standard. I’d have to look back through 3 pages and I don’t really care too much to do that. Also I don’t even think the guy is a jets fan. Most jets fans look at this and probably keep scrolling because these Ehlers deals have been made on here for years. People outside of Winnipeg don’t truly understand Ehlers’ impact. Even with his advanced analytics showing he’s not the tip of the top when it comes to GAR or anything like that, his impact is huge and the largest on the roster.

I think that you are missing the fact that all it takes for Winnipeg to say no to this is due to Ehlers’ importance to the Jets. He doesn’t have the elite stats, or the sexy big market appeal. Which is why he’s a hidden gem to the jets and gives them 0 reason to move him.</div></div>

He gaves like 4 trade comps and I responded with saying how they arent equal

For example, Giroux trade was very far off because a late 1st and 23 year old with 14 points in 42 games was not the same as a top 10, top 40 and top 70 pick. Same with how for Hagel, the two fourths evened out the players so it was basically two late first rounders for a very solid middle 6 player who is still getting better and has term on a very cheap deal. He hasnt responded to any points I made there. if he has stats to back them up, then I want to be proven wrong. he is just refusing to even show me his response. thats my problem.

I also never claimed that the Jets are moving him. I just said that this is what I found to be fair value. Scheifele was being discussed to get moved, and if he was actually being shopped, then nobody is safe.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 1, 2022 at 8:53 a.m.
Thread: If I was GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>How many times do people have to tell you that this trade is not worth it for the jets. You’re missing the main point of that card. Ehlers is one of the most valuable players to the jets. He has a major impact on the game that no one else on the jets has.

If you’re so upset because people don’t like your trade that’s on you. Never seen someone this hung up on a fantasy trade…</div></div>

Its not that I am upset about it. All I have asked for is a quantitative reason as to why. Not just "Ehlers good". This kid has refused to provide a single legitimate reason and has gaslight me for 3 pages.

if someone can use stats or trade compatibles or any quantitative reasoning, then I would gladly admit I am wrong. But nobody has done that while I have.

It is obvious that I pi--ed off Jets fans, never knew that they would get so upset over a forum designed for hypotheticals and ideas


I would greatly appreciate it if you could find where the other kid responded to my response to his compraibles, because he has refused to quote it for me
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 1, 2022 at 8:50 a.m.
Thread: If I was GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Bc I’m not going back and doing the work for you. Happy to keep telling you to go read it which you admit you can’t do.

I saw the notification and the actual post that you deleted. Nice try tho! Can add lying to the things you should work on. Already sent you some materials on reading comprehension so we can focus on being truthful next 😉</div></div>

Ok how can I delete a comment? It is quite literally not a function on this website.

Why cant you just quote your response? Are you that lazy?

I keep asking because you never responded so I know your response will never change. I will give you a chance right now to respond to it. Okay? I wont judge you for all of the lying and we can then finish our productive conversation. Also feel free to just block me if you dont feel like having a productive conversation.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 1, 2022 at 8:09 a.m.
Thread: If I was GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>http://blog.whooosreading.org/7-tools-to-improve-reading-comprehension/

Here ya go. Least I can do. Good work deleting that last post 😉 didn’t make any sense anyways so good to take it down. Progress!</div></div>

lol i didnt take anything down but ok.

You spent hours going back and forth with me and you are so confident in your position. If i was making the claims you are, I would want to be quoting my responses. I would want to prove that I was right. Why dont you want to do that? The inability on your to just spend 10 seconds to go back and quote your past work is remarkable. Dont you want to prove me wrong? Dont you want to be right?

I am not sure what your motive is. Is it trying to have a productive conversation? Is it to try to anger me? I would think the latter because in the past 10 responses, you have yet to make a single point besides saying that I lack reading comprehension, while all I ask is for you to quote just one of the countless (your claim) times that you countered my point. Every single point you made, I countered. Yet you have yet to even respond, instead sitting here gaslighting me by saying I have zero reading comprehension.

I actually want to have a productive conversation, I hope you do too
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2022 at 10:24 p.m.
Thread: If I was GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Just proving my point on reading comprehension. Literally must be at a first grade level. Truly impressive.</div></div>

Buddy you told me that I cant comprehend what you said, yet you havent ever said what I dont comprehend. You said that you provided comparisons with data points and facts, yet didnt tell me where to find them. It was actually me who provided facts and data for YOUR comparibles, proving you wrong. You have yet to address those points. I quoted it earlier and I will quote it again. I for one, actually want to have a conversation and debate on this. You keep ignoring that, making it very hard for a productive conversation to occur. So please put aside your ego and address my points, quoted once again below:

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oliver_wahlstrom</b></div><div>So your comparisons are data points? You mean the comparisons where you compared Giroux trade to this? You mean the one where i provided stats about how your "top prospect" only had 14 points in 42 games? Where I clearly stated that that trade was clearly drastically different than what we are talking about here? That trade?

Or the other trade where I talked about Brandon Hagels production and how he was so valuable because he had term on a cheap deal?

Or how Dvorak was coming off of a 25 goal pace season in Arizona so he got overrated into being considered a 30+ goal scorer on a real team?

Just so you can see it all again, here is what I said... exactly:
\1. Tippett isnt a top prospect, He was 23 at the time and had 14 points in 42 games.
2. Cherry picked reasoning when I said that I like Wahlstrom but he isnt worth 10 picks? How so? I was making the point that starting a statement with "I just like {Insert name}" means nothing
3. A first and two 2nds isnt close to what Debrincat got. He got 7th OVR, 39OVR and a future early 3rd. Lindholmd got a mid to late 1st, and two mid to late seconds along with a cap dump and an unproven defenseman who has close to no trade value.
4. I dont understand what you are talking about in regards to the "A first, second &amp; a Bish prospect is again pretty close to the Cat return, and yet again it was for 3 months of service." Id love for you to tell me know, I just dont know what you are referring to
5. Dvorak got a late 1st and 2nd, coming off of a 25 goal pace season on Arizona. media overhyped him up but the Habs were coming off of a cup run and wanted to bolster their center depth.
6. Hagel. This is the first comp that I understand. What I will say is that the two "prospects" dont really mean much, they probably are worth about what the two 4th round picks going the other way are worth. So Hagel for about two late first rounders. While yes it was an overpay, hagel is making like 1.5 million with a bit of term and to a team who is so tight against the cap, that is priceless. He is a very solid middle 6 guy who is not even in his prime yet.

I countered all of your points. I know that you are going to disagree with me just for the sake of disagreement, but the debrincat trade just wasnt an outlier. A top 10 pick, top 40 pick and top 70 pick is the best that they could get. There were upwards of 10 teams going after Debrincat, there is no way that the hawks took this over better offers
EDITQUOTEMULTI-QUOTE


So I never claimed that my opinoos were facts, mu FACTS were facts. Stating that Dvorak was on a bad team and people and media thought that he would do better elsewhere is a fact.

Tampa being tight to the cap is a fact

owen tippet being a 23 year old who had 14 points in 42 games is a fact. You claimed he was a top prospect when he was not. So your opinion was not a fact. You can think that, but there are no facts to back that up.

Understand now? Or are you going to keep gaslighting?

This is all very simple stuff</div></div>

if you dont, then have a good night. But dont come and attack me again without addressing my points.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2022 at 10:14 p.m.
Thread: If I was GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Hahahaha that doesn’t even make sense. It’s like arguing with a 3 year old. Who got offended? That was an idiotic statement - growing list from you.

I’ll look for where I said ehlers is the messiah tho. Keep on making stuff up and spewing nonsense. Trolling a troll is the only way they learn. You learned a valuable lesson tonight. Doubt it’ll change much but maybe you’ll figure it out one day.

Nighty night bruh!</div></div>

LMAOOOOOOOOO.

Lets get back to the actual information. You have yet to refute my last quote. Ill quote it here:<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oliver_wahlstrom</b></div><div>So your comparisons are data points? You mean the comparisons where you compared Giroux trade to this? You mean the one where i provided stats about how your "top prospect" only had 14 points in 42 games? Where I clearly stated that that trade was clearly drastically different than what we are talking about here? That trade?

Or the other trade where I talked about Brandon Hagels production and how he was so valuable because he had term on a cheap deal?

Or how Dvorak was coming off of a 25 goal pace season in Arizona so he got overrated into being considered a 30+ goal scorer on a real team?

Just so you can see it all again, here is what I said... exactly:
\1. Tippett isnt a top prospect, He was 23 at the time and had 14 points in 42 games.
2. Cherry picked reasoning when I said that I like Wahlstrom but he isnt worth 10 picks? How so? I was making the point that starting a statement with "I just like {Insert name}" means nothing
3. A first and two 2nds isnt close to what Debrincat got. He got 7th OVR, 39OVR and a future early 3rd. Lindholmd got a mid to late 1st, and two mid to late seconds along with a cap dump and an unproven defenseman who has close to no trade value.
4. I dont understand what you are talking about in regards to the "A first, second &amp; a Bish prospect is again pretty close to the Cat return, and yet again it was for 3 months of service." Id love for you to tell me know, I just dont know what you are referring to
5. Dvorak got a late 1st and 2nd, coming off of a 25 goal pace season on Arizona. media overhyped him up but the Habs were coming off of a cup run and wanted to bolster their center depth.
6. Hagel. This is the first comp that I understand. What I will say is that the two "prospects" dont really mean much, they probably are worth about what the two 4th round picks going the other way are worth. So Hagel for about two late first rounders. While yes it was an overpay, hagel is making like 1.5 million with a bit of term and to a team who is so tight against the cap, that is priceless. He is a very solid middle 6 guy who is not even in his prime yet.

I countered all of your points. I know that you are going to disagree with me just for the sake of disagreement, but the debrincat trade just wasnt an outlier. A top 10 pick, top 40 pick and top 70 pick is the best that they could get. There were upwards of 10 teams going after Debrincat, there is no way that the hawks took this over better offers
EDITQUOTEMULTI-QUOTE


So I never claimed that my opinoos were facts, mu FACTS were facts. Stating that Dvorak was on a bad team and people and media thought that he would do better elsewhere is a fact.

Tampa being tight to the cap is a fact

owen tippet being a 23 year old who had 14 points in 42 games is a fact. You claimed he was a top prospect when he was not. So your opinion was not a fact. You can think that, but there are no facts to back that up.

Understand now? Or are you going to keep gaslighting?

This is all very simple stuff</div></div>

Please respond! I addressed all of your points in an orderly fashion, I expect you to do the same

You can respond to my comments and points, or ignore it. But for anything other than a direct response, I will take as you admitting I was right and you were wrong!!!!!
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2022 at 10:09 p.m.