1. Tippett isnt a top prospect, He was 23 at the time and had 14 points in 42 games.
2. Cherry picked reasoning when I said that I like Wahlstrom but he isnt worth 10 picks? How so? I was making the point that starting a statement with "I just like {Insert name}" means nothing
3. A first and two 2nds isnt close to what Debrincat got. He got 7th OVR, 39OVR and a future early 3rd. Lindholmd got a mid to late 1st, and two mid to late seconds along with a cap dump and an unproven defenseman who has close to no trade value.
4. I dont understand what you are talking about in regards to the "A first, second & a Bish prospect is again pretty close to the Cat return, and yet again it was for 3 months of service." Id love for you to tell me know, I just dont know what you are referring to
5. Dvorak got a late 1st and 2nd, coming off of a 25 goal pace season on Arizona. media overhyped him up but the Habs were coming off of a cup run and wanted to bolster their center depth.
6. Hagel. This is the first comp that I understand. What I will say is that the two "prospects" dont really mean much, they probably are worth about what the two 4th round picks going the other way are worth. So Hagel for about two late first rounders. While yes it was an overpay, hagel is making like 1.5 million with a bit of term and to a team who is so tight against the cap, that is priceless. He is a very solid middle 6 guy who is not even in his prime yet.

I countered all of your points. I know that you are going to disagree with me just for the sake of disagreement, but the debrincat trade just wasnt an outlier. A top 10 pick, top 40 pick and top 70 pick is the best that they could get. There were upwards of 10 teams going after Debrincat, there is no way that the hawks took this over better offers

4 was related to Copp, forgot to add his name.

You countered my points with your opinions which you’ve said don’t matter. So I’ll take it for what it’s worth, an opinion.

You keep discounting 3 months of service over multiple years of control in your counter point opinions. Sure the face value of the returns on most of those recent examples are less than what Cat got, but not by much and when you think about the team control aspect in those scenarios plus the lack of leverage in some of them (e.g. Giroux), that means a lot.

I won’t pretend to know what offers were on the table, neither of us know. I’m sure they took what they thought was the best offer at the time and I’m not insinuating they took a worse offer. They took an offer with no players coming back bc they wanted to tank and were valuing picks over players or prospects. They also could’ve handled the situation much better since there wasn’t really a reason to move him exactly when they did - they held all the leverage. That’s why it was mishandled.

Thanks for the entertainment reading these 🤣

Blows my mind the lack of comprehension on 1/2 the conversation. You’ve provided multiple data points and comps to show that the Cat deal was an outlier, there’s no denying that. Plus it’s not like 1 trade is the golden standard going forward. The OP likes going off of opinions, so in my opinion GMs look at that car deal and think “wow CHI got fleeced” they’re not looking at that deal and saying that it was a great return for CHI. Chicago took the deal they thought was right for them and that’s okay, doesn’t mean other GMs are going to sell their plates for cents on the dollar.

But again, It’s just an opinion and the factual data that shows comps and that it was an outlier are really what matters.

The fact is that Ehlers isn’t even in a comparable position to Cat anyways. Ehlers has term, plays a much different role and has been severely under-utilized by the Jets. Cat was getting prime opportunity with elite players and PP1 time. People outside of Winnipeg truly do not understand how valuable Ehlers is. His stat lines don’t show anything close to the impact he has on games. He’s arguably winnipegs second most valuable forward behind Kyle Connor. You’d have to blow Chevy’s socks off to get him to move the guy. Now in 2 years this could be a totally different story.

What data point did he use? Name one data point. Just one. Please

And Debrincat has 1 year and is an RFA and Ehlers has 3 and is a UFA, so Ehlers has less control

And I love how your point is that Ehlers is under utilized and plays a different role. Like those are just opinions. Saying a player isnt playing up to his potential is BS. No player is going to go for their maximum value and potential. Like come on.

Debrincat played half this season with Lukas Reichel and Dylan Strome. Thats not elite players. Playing half of your games with Patty Kane doesnt lift up playing with a rookie and Dylan Strome. And Before Reichel, it was Kurashev and Lafferty.

Also, not sure what you meant by "The fact is that Ehlers isn’t even in a comparable position to Cat anyways.", but if you are saying that Debrincat is worth more than Ehlers... I cant even comprehend this. I cannot argue with you.

I am also curious where you think I lacked comprehension? What data point did he mention that I didnt comprehend? Feel free to ignore everything else I have said and answer this, since you obviously have such a strong opinion on it!



You cant just say that I used "my opinions" when I literally listed stats 😭

Like lets deny the fact that geniuses went to college and discovered ways to create expected metrics and predictive statistics and all of that. None of that matters. All that matters is your opinion on how a player is well liked and is severely undervalued.

Lol glad you enjoyed it at least.

Agree on Ehlers. He’s just a really good all around player and with his contract it makes him even more valuable.

You’ve got some serious reading comprehension issues if all you saw were opinions. I guess you’re just the type of guy who thinks loudly stating his opinion is the same thing as it being a fact and everybody else is just dumber than you. Have a good one buddy!

Yet all I have asked is for you to state it. If you state it, I will command F and go read it again. There are two long pages, I am sure I missed some stuff. it shouldne be that hard for you to just tell me what to go back to.


Bruh you really responded to another guy with " He’s just a really good all around player and with his contract it makes him even more valuable." 😭 omg i cant. this is incredible. you are feeding me my points

Comps that you were begging for are in the various threads. The ones that have your opinions that you think are facts and data points. Also included context for ya since you can’t grasp that concept. Like I said tho, reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. That or you’re just a troll. If it’s the latter good work, I fed ya!

Didn’t realize when I was agreeing with somebody I had to refute them with more specific data points? That doesn’t seem logical but most of your points and opinions aren’t so that’s not a huge surprise. It’s kind of funny that you don’t take contract value and team control into account with how clearly brilliant and superior you are to everyone on here.

Enjoy your night little man!

So your comparisons are data points? You mean the comparisons where you compared Giroux trade to this? You mean the one where i provided stats about how your "top prospect" only had 14 points in 42 games? Where I clearly stated that that trade was clearly drastically different than what we are talking about here? That trade?

Or the other trade where I talked about Brandon Hagels production and how he was so valuable because he had term on a cheap deal?

Or how Dvorak was coming off of a 25 goal pace season in Arizona so he got overrated into being considered a 30+ goal scorer on a real team?

Just so you can see it all again, here is what I said... exactly:
\1. Tippett isnt a top prospect, He was 23 at the time and had 14 points in 42 games.
2. Cherry picked reasoning when I said that I like Wahlstrom but he isnt worth 10 picks? How so? I was making the point that starting a statement with "I just like {Insert name}" means nothing
3. A first and two 2nds isnt close to what Debrincat got. He got 7th OVR, 39OVR and a future early 3rd. Lindholmd got a mid to late 1st, and two mid to late seconds along with a cap dump and an unproven defenseman who has close to no trade value.
4. I dont understand what you are talking about in regards to the "A first, second & a Bish prospect is again pretty close to the Cat return, and yet again it was for 3 months of service." Id love for you to tell me know, I just dont know what you are referring to
5. Dvorak got a late 1st and 2nd, coming off of a 25 goal pace season on Arizona. media overhyped him up but the Habs were coming off of a cup run and wanted to bolster their center depth.
6. Hagel. This is the first comp that I understand. What I will say is that the two "prospects" dont really mean much, they probably are worth about what the two 4th round picks going the other way are worth. So Hagel for about two late first rounders. While yes it was an overpay, hagel is making like 1.5 million with a bit of term and to a team who is so tight against the cap, that is priceless. He is a very solid middle 6 guy who is not even in his prime yet.

I countered all of your points. I know that you are going to disagree with me just for the sake of disagreement, but the debrincat trade just wasnt an outlier. A top 10 pick, top 40 pick and top 70 pick is the best that they could get. There were upwards of 10 teams going after Debrincat, there is no way that the hawks took this over better offers
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So I never claimed that my opinoos were facts, mu FACTS were facts. Stating that Dvorak was on a bad team and people and media thought that he would do better elsewhere is a fact.

Tampa being tight to the cap is a fact

owen tippet being a 23 year old who had 14 points in 42 games is a fact. You claimed he was a top prospect when he was not. So your opinion was not a fact. You can think that, but there are no facts to back that up.

Understand now? Or are you going to keep gaslighting?

This is all very simple stuff

Haha you’re relentless man. Relentless, irrational, illogical, delusional, trollish, etc. Keep leaving in your alternate reality. Believe what you want to believe and ignore real facts, data points and comps. Keep on keeping on tho, chief. Trolls gonna troll.

I don't think the trade is comparable . By trading 4.6m Beauvillier, he's just fair fair. Dufour? He has played FIVE years in the junior and had a great last season, but very middling in the others But really this 5th rounder really a NHL prospect or just one of many high scoring juniors?
Really not much in for the Jets.

haha bro i cant believe I am letting you gaslight me

Hahahahahahaha bruhhhhhh I can’t believe you can’t stop yourself from tolling lolololol

are you okay?

Yeah just figured I’d switch over to the way you communicate. Did I mess it up, bruh? Omg I’m sorry if I did lmao

wow youre so rattled that you got offended by how I communicate?

Its funny. Instead of being confident in your beliefs and statements, you decided to stoop down to the level of a toddler and immitate me. Thats what my 3 year old cousin does to me when he is upset. Even kindergarteners know to be more mature than that. Its laughable.

Im glad that I could not only prove you wrong, but prove someone as stubborn as yourself wrong. Name calling is for toddlers, but I guess also people who think that Ehlers is the messiah. Goodnight

Hahahaha that doesn’t even make sense. It’s like arguing with a 3 year old. Who got offended? That was an idiotic statement - growing list from you.

I’ll look for where I said ehlers is the messiah tho. Keep on making stuff up and spewing nonsense. Trolling a troll is the only way they learn. You learned a valuable lesson tonight. Doubt it’ll change much but maybe you’ll figure it out one day.

Nighty night bruh!

Careful, this kid can’t contend with facts. He’s going to throw opinions at you and tell you it’s gospel

LMAOOOOOOOOO.

Lets get back to the actual information. You have yet to refute my last quote. Ill quote it here:

Please respond! I addressed all of your points in an orderly fashion, I expect you to do the same

You can respond to my comments and points, or ignore it. But for anything other than a direct response, I will take as you admitting I was right and you were wrong!!!!!

oh wow youre obsessed with me hollly

It’s all in the thread, I can’t read for you man. Much less make you comprehend and understand what you read. You gotta do that on your own, but I’m rooting for you!

glad to see you admit I was right!!!

Too easy 😂

Just proving my point on reading comprehension. Literally must be at a first grade level. Truly impressive.

Buddy you told me that I cant comprehend what you said, yet you havent ever said what I dont comprehend. You said that you provided comparisons with data points and facts, yet didnt tell me where to find them. It was actually me who provided facts and data for YOUR comparibles, proving you wrong. You have yet to address those points. I quoted it earlier and I will quote it again. I for one, actually want to have a conversation and debate on this. You keep ignoring that, making it very hard for a productive conversation to occur. So please put aside your ego and address my points, quoted once again below:



if you dont, then have a good night. But dont come and attack me again without addressing my points.