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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 30, 2017 at 1:25 p.m.
Thread: Would Toronto do this?
Toronto would never make that trade this off-season. It makes their current roster worse and they're a playoff team, not just starting a rebuild. Pouliot may eventually turn into an NHL regular, but now he clearly belongs in the AHL. If Toronto regresses and is a seller at the '18 deadline, only then does this trade look reasonable. (Pens give up Haglelin to make salaries work).

NickC is likely underestimating Fleury's trade value during the off-season (which is totally different compared to the in-season deadline), but he's still probably only worth a 3rd or 4th rounder at best. But ignoring the price of acquiring Fleury... why would Vancouver even want him? Markstrom is fine and cheap. The slight upgrade they'd get in goal with Fleury isn't worth much to a team that still has a lot of other high priced talent on their roster and lots of RFA's to sign.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 12, 2017 at 10:48 a.m.
Thread: pens need to add to beat caps this year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div><i>Fleury has little value not because he isn't still decently good but because of circumstance. It's unfortunate but its the truth.</i></div></div>

Completely agree. Fleury is an average to slightly above average goalie with a market value contract. In fact, if his numbers continue to decline, he'd be overpaid. I would be absolutely shocked if the Pens get anything better than a 3rd round pick for him without retaining salary. He may end up being a part of a bigger trade, but the Pens are in a position of weakness trying to deal Fleury.

I think this trade for Tartar may make the Pens slightly better this year, but I'm not sure I like the loss of a 1st plus weakening their depth both at forward and defense.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 12, 2017 at 10:05 a.m.
Thread: No Fleury Trade
When those teams entered the league, teams were able to protect more players compared to the 2017 expansion:
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NHL_Expansion_Draft" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NHL_Expansion_Draft</a>
1G, 5D, 9F could be protected, meaning those new teams basically started with an AHL roster. At least this time they get to start with a roster of NHL caliber players, even if it's mostly 3rd line players and 2nd pairing defensemen.

Anyway, getting off track: I think the Penguins would rather keep their 1st round pick and give up one of their forwards plus a d-man. LV would rather have talent now compared to a pick that may or may not be ready to play in 3 to 4 years. LV will have a decent selection of goalies and don't need Murray (although they would certainly take him if available), but they're hurting for forwards. This deal seems like a win-win for both teams.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 11, 2017 at 1:34 p.m.
Thread: No Fleury Trade
Of course LV would want more, but they aren't going to get it. Pens will protect one of Dumoulin/Schultz (probably Dumoulin, although Schultz is having a great season) and both are eligible for arbitration and will be due significant raises (which LV may not want to pay). Pouliot hasn't played well recently, but is young, has some NHL experience, and is waiver eligible which at a minimum makes him reasonable trade bait for LV to improve their roster. Sheary isn't an amazing talent, but he's going to be better than most other available forwards, who will primarily be 3rd liners. This gives Vegas 2 reasonably talented, cheap players to either place on their active roster or use as trade currency. Pens may be willing and able to throw in a 2nd or 3rd round pick as well, but they're not going to give up better talent.

The team's nuclear option is to buyout Fleury's contract and sign a veteran backup who they could then expose, which is terrible, but not as bad as giving up even more talent just to keep Murray.

Totally agree that the three mentioned are developmental/replacement level players. Sprong should also be added to that list. ~$1.5 million in cap space would need to be used to pick up some cheap UFA vets, but that's an entirely separate exercise.