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Armchair-GM
Jun. 29, 2022 at 7:43 p.m.
Thread:
Fiala Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GenXHockey</b></div><div>The 1st and faber with zero dollars going back. But this is still an underpay for Fiala. Pretty rich (but fair) contract may have scared some other teams off.</div></div>
I agree on the dollars back but you have to admit the og package I proposed has pretty equal raw value to the actual trade and was a lowball which is what I expected.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 29, 2022 at 4:14 p.m.
Thread:
Fiala Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GenXHockey</b></div><div>I always see this excuse of "cap strapped" as an excuse to offer a piss poor trade. The market and interest by other teams will determine his value. I'm positive someone will offer more for his services.</div></div>
Curious now that the trades actually happened which package would you rather take?
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 29, 2022 at 3:39 p.m.
Thread:
Fiala Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Too much for Fiala. Devils are better off keeping their 4 assets and spending the $7 million in free agency.</div></div> This is a lowball offer because the Wild are cap strapped and don’t have any real leverage besides other teams bids. Definitely not too much for a top line winger.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 29, 2022 at 3:17 p.m.
Thread:
Fiala Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>IcemanJoe</b></div><div>MN declines. Russo is reporting he expects two assets back. A first round pick and a prospect. Prospect value goes down the higher the pick or protections on a 2023 first.</div></div>
Would a 2023 first (top 10 protected) plus Ty Smith get it done? As a devils fan I would do that.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 20, 2022 at 12:35 a.m.
Thread:
Pasta Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Schood1c</b></div><div>nope nope nope</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>holtzer</b></div><div>Giving up <strong>WAY</strong> too much for Pastrnak.</div></div>
Haha I think the conflicting nature of these two responses shows exactly why a trade will never happen
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Armchair-GM
May 26, 2022 at 4:02 p.m.
Thread:
DeBrincat Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>That's simply a bad take, never going to happen.
Cat is a proven 24 year old elite player in the league and specifically a elite goal scorer. A "potential" elite goal scorer (holtz) doesn't equate to one that already is obviously, and the risk for taking on "the potential" for a player to be close to or as good as Cat is significant. It's the bird in hand argument. Chicago would have to get at least (3) top prospects or mid to early first round draft picks or the equivalent.
Put this into perspective; Cat is worth more then Eichel was when he was traded....Why? Because Cat would be traded in the offseason when teams have more cap flexibility. He's not a UFA in 4 years. He doesn't carry a $10m cap hit that very few teams can afford to add mid season only to be gone in 4 years thus significantly limiting the market of teams interested. He's a year younger. He's not injured and headed for an unknown surgery and unknown long term future because of a major surgery, and maybe most importantly, he's not in dispute with his current team and no need for either the Hawks or Cat to move on. Had all these things been equal between Cat and Eichel then no question Eichel is more valuable but these attributes significantly hurt Eichel's value thus making Cat more valuable. So a good starting place is understanding the Eichel value he was moved for won't convince Chicago to let go of Cat; they will need a little more then that.
Therefore, you can easily understand why the 1st and (2) B prospects isn't remotely close...not a chance in a million years half the teams in the league don't offer a better a package for Cat let alone Chicago accepting that kind of offer. If Chicago shops Cat, he easily becomes the top target of pretty much every team in the league. They will get a king's ransom for him and is completely irrelevant what the fans of a particular team feel they would give up, but what is relevant is realizing there will likely be plenty of other teams giving up more then the fans of a particular team want to. Any trade that happens for Cat will be painful for the fans of that team to accept; it's that simple. I'm willing to bet Chicago would get a top 1st round pick (top 10), top A prospect (such as Holtz) possibly a role player as well, or (2) mid to late 1sts, and a top prospect all day long. Throw in the fact that Chicago can take on cap dumps as well since they have plenty of cap space and the price will go up further.</div></div>
Understand where you are coming from but I think you are undervaluing the trade proposal, the 2OA pick its self is worth at least 2 mid to early first rounders and the second rounder + Nolan Foote equates to a late first rounder IMO. Which is in the same ballpark of the value you proposed of three mid to early first round picks or equivalent, and if you read my response to your post I said I’d replace the Second rounder with next years first if he’s not being shopped(he isn’t rn) which is definitely meeting the value you are placing on Cat.
For your bird in hand argument, obviously a trade only works in the real world if the Hawks choose to trade cat which most likely means they would rather go the high risk high reward route and receive picks and prospects. Since the POTENTIAL value going to the hawks outweighs Cats current value.
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Armchair-GM
May 26, 2022 at 2:02 p.m.
Thread:
DeBrincat Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>I don't think Debrincat is what Fitzgerald is looking for. His goal is to add "heavier skill" on wing. Although we have few who could shoot the puck like Debrincat, we have a lot of forwards that are good on the perimeter and in transition. We need an interior big-body-soft-hands type to work in front of the net (tips, screening, cleaning up rebounds) and win puck battles in corner to retrieve puck. Could also use another defensive wing who can block shots from point and play PK.
I do not think Fitzy will trade 2oa for any top winger just to have "a guy to play with Hughes/Hischier".</div></div>
Totally agree, I personally think we should be targeting Timo as the main piece of a trade for 2OA if we choose to trade the pick or keep the pick and target Nichushkin in FA. With the DeBrincat trade talk heating up I thought it would be worth throwing up a realistic trade for him.
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Armchair-GM
May 26, 2022 at 12:46 p.m.
Thread:
DeBrincat Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tbrew</b></div><div>For a year of DeBrincat, that’s not worth it. Take the pick, and the money saved, and spend it somewhere else</div></div>
For a 40 goal scorer that can be thrown on Jacks wing right away I think it’s worth it assuming we lock him down.
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Armchair-GM
May 26, 2022 at 12:40 p.m.
Thread:
DeBrincat Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Not even close; it's going to take another 1st or very high end prospect to get a conversation going</div></div>
If NJ includes Holtz on top of 2OA the hawks would have to add more value as I think Holtz currently projects as a long term 30 goal scorer, I think 2OA and basically two B tier prospects straight up for Cat is fairly even if DeBrincat is being shopped. If he’s not being shopped I would be good with replacing the second rounder with next years first but that’s stretching the value a bit.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 19, 2022 at 7:30 p.m.
Thread:
Devils tdl
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lambchopz</b></div><div>You aren’t getting all that for Severson, come on now</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OnlyLeafs</b></div><div>Absolutely delusional Severson trade</div></div>
I think it’s too much for Severson too but the market for Dmen right now is so rich that this is probably more realistic than just getting a first and a mediocre prospect which is probably what he’s actually worth.
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