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Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 4:56 p.m.
Thread:
Marner Maybe idk
If Marner is getting traded to a division rival i already know buddy would drop 17 goals and 29 assists against the leafs in round one
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 3:52 p.m.
Thread:
How Dubas Dream Trade Could Work For Toronto
May as well throw Matthews in there too no?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 4:00 p.m.
Thread:
My dream Leafs roster for next year
Dobson has more value than Marner
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 2:33 p.m.
Thread:
Mitch
Can we stop with these garbage Marner to Pittsburgh trades for overpaid junk? It'll never happen, the Pens don't have what the Leafs will ask for, so give it up
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 2:34 p.m.
Thread:
Mitch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dh91</b></div><div>Can we stop with these garbage Marner to Pittsburgh trades for overpaid junk? It'll never happen, the Pens don't have what the Leafs will ask for, so give it up</div></div>
The vultures are out. 😬
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 2:33 p.m.
Thread:
Mitch
This is such a horrible trade for Toronto. LOL
Good thing Mitchy has a NMC. 🙄
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 3:27 p.m.
Thread:
Dubas Goes Full Dubas Mode
Leafs counter with Kampf, Holmberg, and Timmins for Crosby, Malkin and Letang
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 8:11 a.m.
Thread:
next year
We would obviously have to say yes
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 9:55 a.m.
Thread:
Big change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tmljk22</b></div><div>I don't understand the exercise of making ridiculous trades tbh</div></div>
What I don't understand is how they all imagine these trades aren't completely ridiculous. It's a trip.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 8:37 a.m.
Thread:
Unrealistic but fun
I missed the part where this is fun
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 9:21 a.m.
Thread:
Marner Shenanigans
Id trade for marner but he has to come with an extension
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 6 at 8:34 a.m.
Thread:
Marner and Kane
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tmljk22</b></div><div>Okay I'll address everything in order of which they were presented.
A) Listening to Toronto media about anything speculative is wild especially when the only articles written about Marner thus far have been by bloggers and not actual beat writers or national personalities. Not to mention that negotiations obviously haven't begun so anything that is speculated on is likely for targeted clicks.
B) Marner has absolutely had some serious issues in the playoffs however, he does lead a notoriously bad Leafs playoff squad in points since being drafted. Not to mention he's had some great series in the past so it may or may not be simply a scenery change that is needed to unlock something. Although I will concede that it could have negative effects on his value but they would be pretty small.
C) Marner has a full NMC which again will lower his value but not because it is present but because it will essentially allow him to dictate where he will be traded to should he be willing to waive it. However, because of this NMC, the likely course of action will follow many previous scenarios in which the players agent, in this case Darren Ferris, will be allowed access to negotiate with other teams prior to a move to try and settle on an extension. I would guess that any deal involving Marner, likely comes with an extension. If not, the odds of him being retained on said team should be quite high given that he would have expressed interest in being traded there by waiving his NMC to go there.
D) If we look at the last 5 years, there have been several star level forwards to be moved. These include (in chronological order): Hertl, Guentzel, DeBrincat, Meier, Tkachuk, Eichel.
Now I think almost everyone can agree that Marner is better and more impactful than everyone on that list minus Tkatchuk and Eichel, so we will look at their deals first.
Tkachuk: The context behind this deal starts with Tkachuk informing Flames management that he would not sign long-term and would walk come his UFA eligibility. So we have now established context that this player created full control over his destination with this request similar to the effects of a NMC, slightly diminishing his value. Secondly, he was coming off of his first elite regular season and also had a solid playoffs. Thus establishing his overall value as an elite winger. I'd argue Tkachuk in this situation would be more valueable than Marner given his age, RFA eligibility, and recent performance. However, Marner is the more polished and consistent producer making the gap smaller.
- This deal was essentially just Tkachuk for Weegar + Huberdeau
- Weegar was a solidified top 4 defensemen who was arguably the teams number 2 after a great season
- Huberdeau came off of a career year in terms of production and was poised to be great again as one of the best playmakers in the league
- Both players were on 1-year deals
The basic value of this deal is significantly more than two late firsts. Based off of deadline rental prices (which are of course lower than offseason rentals given the shortened time with player) Weegar would have likely net a first + prospect + mid-level picks at the next deadline and Huberdeau at the same rate of production would have likely net a first + prospect
Eichel: The context behind this deal is very interesting. Eichel started his latest season with the Sabres scoring at his worst rate since his rookie season before getting injured. Within his recovery window it is discovered he needs surgery on his back but the Sabres management refuses to allow him to receive a new and somewhat untested type of disk replacement. Because of this he requests a trade. Eichel has term left on his $10M contract with his future hanging in the balance of this procedure. So, we've established that Eichel is at his near lowest point value wise and because of the nature of the trade request the Sabres have a minimal level of leverage. Not to mention, Eichel has never made the playoffs once in his career. Marner's playoff woes and NMC are clearly nothing in comparison to his situation making him undoubtably the more valuable asset especially if signing an extension with the supposed trade partner.
- the deal was Eichel for Tuch, Krebs, a first, a second and a third.
- Tuch was a solid top 6 forward for Vegas and again using the method from before based off of historical trade deadline deals, would be worth at minimum a second and a third
- Krebs was a first round pick from 2-years prior and showed great promise and production in the AHL and WHL prior to the deal
- The picks obviously speak for themselves
Meier: I wasn't going to include him because he is clearly a tier below as a player in comparison to Marner but I'm rolling. Context to this deal, it was a deadline acquisition with Meier ending up as an RFA with a hefty QO price tag in the coming offseason. He was having another great season with the Sharks before requesting a trade and was hungry to get to a winning team.
- the deal was essentially: Meier + Filler for Mukhamadullin (an A- D-prospect), Zetterlund (a very serviceable middle 6 forward), a first, a second + filler
- given that this deal is mostly prospects, you can't exactly pinpoint prices like with roster players
- Zetterlund was the only roster players and would've been worth likely a 3rd + filler and Mukhamadullin is obviously worth a late lottery first
So yea, here's my complete thoughts on the matter with full levels of objectivity and rationalization based off of the information available to me. I would love to hear how based off of this information Marner is going to be worth two late firsts.</div></div>
An impressive response. Cheers! One thing, though. Most of those players were significantly younger and under RFA status. In a scenario such as the one <a href="/users/ChiHawk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@ChiHawk</a> has presented, we would essentially be giving TOR the assets they would normally get minus what could be considered a retention fee. But more of a long-game retention fee. We take him for the season so TOR has cap space, and then move him with retention at the deadline for MORE because we are retaining. CHI gets back what they spent plus a little more for giving TOR cap relief, and retaining, and gets assets that make more sense for their rebuild than Murphy and AA do.
Personally, I don't like the idea of CHI spending anything in trade for him or anyone really. Especially without having thoroughly discussed and confirmed that Marner is completely aware and on board with the idea, and will waive again at the deadline. But, I get the logic and the allure, and it could potentially be a lucrative deal.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 11:10 p.m.
Thread:
RHD will cost alot--Marner to VAN--JT on LTIR
What an awful trade for Marner.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 10:47 p.m.
Thread:
RHD will cost alot--Marner to VAN--JT on LTIR
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe</b></div><div>I hope you are not being serious and just trolling!</div></div>
I was not talking about the trade btw
You should put him in your line up
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 11:29 p.m.
Thread:
Okay I finally figured it out
Liljegren is more valuable than Risto, so that settles that. And Marner is >>>>>> Konecny. So, this is a horrible trade.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 11:46 p.m.
Thread:
Marner and Kane
lol good one
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 11:45 p.m.
Thread:
Marner and Kane
Yeah Toronto declines that easily, doubt he waives for Chicago in the first place
No point in Chicago giving up assets for rentals either
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 8:50 p.m.
Thread:
Realistic Rebuild 16
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gmgb</b></div><div>Good Lord. Now we're shooting wayyyy past a year of Marner value, and getting into a year of Draisaitl value.</div></div>
LMAO!
You think Saros + Wood + 1st + Nyqvist is close to Draisaitl value?!
Yikes.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 5:56 p.m.
Thread:
Purely for Fun - Marner to UTAH - Sharks Trade Up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>6th overall this summer...
Yeeeah, lemme stop you right there. Nobody is giving you that for Marner without a ton of coke yp their nose. And it's Utah, man.</div></div>
Read the post where I say Utah multiple times?
And if it was 26th + a 2nd + a 3rd Toronto gets made fun of for trading Marner so I started with the Meier base and added.
If you want Toronto to trade Marner for 2x less than Meier that’s also far fetched.
I’m just starting a conversation.
How about be useful and actually converse instead of acting like a clown lol.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 2:37 p.m.
Thread:
Trading Marner 7
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kyle_Okposo_Lover</b></div><div>bro come on I am th biggest PLD hater but 6 mil for him for term is a fair deal. Rounds out the depth plus u get a 1st. maybe u squeeze out more but this isn't a hell no</div></div>
He damn sure ain't showing up in the playoffs. And there's people how want to buy him out.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 2:36 p.m.
Thread:
Trading Marner 7
Eight years of Domi and Bertuzzi....ridiculous.
No thanks to PLD
Yeah, you really think Tavares waives to CBJ?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 2:34 p.m.
Thread:
Trading Marner 7
Leafs say HELL NOOOOOO for that Kings trade. Leafs must be on a crazy pack of za to accept that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 1:45 p.m.
Thread:
marner
Terrible deal for the Leafs and no interest in Binnington personally.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 11:41 a.m.
Thread:
Marner Trade that Actually Works
You should change your headline title to "Marner trade that is uniquely unqualified."
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 11:36 a.m.
Thread:
Marner Trade that Actually Works
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Steve_321</b></div><div>25g guy playing with the most prolific goal scorer in the last 30 years…. Let’s see how many points he gets on a team without Matthews. Same as how Zach Hyman is not a 50g scorer.</div></div>
I like how you said this was a Marner proposal that actually works LOL
I'm a nucks fan and hate the Leafs, but this is straight up lunacy.
Marner an elite winger on any team and you think J.Anderson is reasonable. The guy can barely stay healthy. That's going to be a buy out contract at some point.
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