Untouchables

I wouldn’t say he is untouchable. They likely have 0 intentions of trading him unless it’s an unbelievable deal(not what you have above). They had 0 intentions of using him to acquire Eichel so that’s a good benchmark of why fans are crazily saying “untouchable”.

I see the eichel argument a lot and not just with NYR fans, you see it with wild fans and others. The situations are very different. Bringing in Eichel with his 10mil contract changes the outlook of everything including moving on from Zib most likely. There were very large decisions that would have to be made outside of just the acquisition cost. They also likely wanted 2 of Kakko/Laf/Schneider/Lundqvist + picks. If you look at what they ended up getting

Tuch + Krebs + 1st + 2nd

They were probably looking for a package that was some variation of

Kakko/Laf + Schneider/Lundqvist + 1st + 2nd/3rd.

They were certainly unwilling to include guys in a package of that totality paired with having to move on from Zib. If it was only one of those guys plus some picks that's a different story but when you start packaging them together it changes things.

I dont think either trade is too far off base.

I agree that Schneider is definitely not untouchable but given how he's progressed since being drafted I would be surprised if the Rangers coughed him up in a trade like this. I'd imagine they'd much rather sub Kravstov + picks in for Schneider in this deal.

The Ottawa trade isnt bad either. Would need to swap DiPietro out for a different prospect or pick given Ottawa's goalie depth. I think a lot would hinge on Boeser's health and what his next contract looks like but Forms and JBD is reasonable. I wouldnt touch the deal as is but if the contract is negotiated ahead of time à la Mark Stone deal and theyre not taking a goalie then I could see it happening.

I'm sure the Rangers would rather give up kravtsov and picks but I don't think they're going to get a game changer without giving up Schneider. Whether it's Miller, Chychrun, Hertl or whoever else of that caliber they are going to want Schneider or maybe Lindgren. Kravtsov doesn't hold much value after what has gone on with him in NYR paired with having to get him over here again from Russia.

Rangers will likely have to go down a tier in what they look to acquire at the deadline if they're unwilling to part with Schneider. Every gm in the league sees that RHD is a position of strength for NYR and they can afford to give up one of their young RHD. NYR needs scoring depth if they want to be successful in the playoffs this year and next. As nice as it is to have Schneider and Lindgren in the system, they do not need those guys over the next 2/3 seasons.

The Ottawa trade could use some massaging but I like the core of it for both teams.

Kravs, Lundkvist, 1st, 1st would be a fairly similar package with Kravs=2nd. I think it could have been done without the others. Or add for some retention which would take out to cap issues. Regardless, it would also mean having him for 4.5 seasons whereas JT is only 1.5 seasons and we’d lose Strome so it’s not all that dissimilar. Eichel going into his prime for a number of years or JT for a cup run, kind of a no brainer(not saying JT isn’t good, always been a fan). Now, the fun part, you’re hearing this from every fan base which means the packages you want and expect are too much. The scenario I see them actually letting go of Schneider in the trade above is with 50% retention and change the 5th to a 2nd. Both sides would be cringing while also seeing the value. But that’s my opinion and everyone else on here has a different one. However if Schneider is changed to Lundkvist I see that working too