Rebuild: Take 2 (and call me next season)

Couple things that stood out to me here.

The first was the Pacioretty trade. Value is totally fine. 1st round pick + potential top 4 D + 3rd round pick sounds right. But Dallas' defense core isn't very deep as is. Unless they had another trade to acquire a top four defenseman, I'm not sure they could pull the trigger on this deal midseason. Maybe it's something that they'd look at in the offseason when it is easier to acquire that defenseman. Again, value wise the trade makes perfect sense. Just an issue as to whether or not Dallas can afford to lose an NHL defensemen when they don't have an in-house replacement.

Next thing is about the Edmonton trade. I haven't watched Nurse a lot this year, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he's played poorly enough to the point where he'd be moved. Edmonton doesn't have a ton of quality defensemen, so I don't really see where this makes them better right now or in the long run. They have a center surplus as is, so what's the reasoning for them to acquire Plekanec? And don't they have a couple forwards similar to Hudon? It just doesn't make sense for them to trade a top four defenseman + a second rounder for a 3C which they don't need and a 3rd line winger which they don't need.

Final thing -- Joseph is playing really well in the AHL, and I forget that De La Rose even exists. I doubt that Tampa would give up that much for a guy that is most likely a healthy scratch in their lineup. Hell, they'd probably send him down to the AHL.



But I love seeing new ideas on here. Cheers Rico

Personally, some of those valuations are quite far off but the concept in there. But I'll give my imput.

Benn lands a 3rd rounder max. 2nd will be pushing it. Maybe if its TB but even then i still think its a lot to ask.
Byron can get 2018 picks instead of 2019. I don't think that is too much to ask.
Pacioretty deal is decent but Honka is really not what the Habs should be going for. First off hes a righty and most coaches like playing players on the good side. Moving Weber and Petry could be tough so he might not get the minutes needed in the foreseeable future.
No way the HABS are getting Nurse, he's a solid player for them and I can't see them wanting to move him for Hudon and Pleky.. Faynes contract is almost up too. His negative value is virtually nothing at this point. Maybe if EDM was desperate to add a big cap hit and really needed space but I don't think they will with the season they are having.
I think DLR's value is pretty gosh darn low. Can't fathom TB trading a young ELC forward with value and then adding a 7th on top of that. DLR is close to being waiver wire material. He will claimed so MTL knows to keep him up with the team but he isn't good enough to get into this already cruddy lineup so there really is no value for him.

Fair points. I was interested to see some feedback, since there hasn't been a lot of discussion around these partners (that I have picked up on). I'll try to explain my thinking and adjust my own as necessary.

For Dallas, I think the benefits are immediate and clear. They weren't too high on Honka earlier in the season (perhaps that has changed and I need to update myself).
I don't always account for additional moves the partner team needs to make, or it would be like a chain letter and never end, lol. I do believe there are defensemen out there who would be available should they choose to pursue that additional move. If not, Petry could be made available a little earlier and a more complicated proposal might come out of it. We'll call this the KISS version of a Montreal/Dallas trade.
Glad you agree on the valuation though.

For Edmonton, I'm taking cues from the "experts" and fans of both teams. Edmonton has too many defenders, and I'm not sure they can justify keeping Nurse, Klefbom, Russell and Sekera (who plays well on their off side?). Someone's got to go. Larsson and Benning are righties, so it probably isn't one of them. Sekera is injured, and I don't believe they want to move him anyway. Klefbom isn't going anywhere, and Russell isn't the best target for a rebuilding team. That leaves Nurse by default.
Now. I originally had this trade as a 4th instead of a 2nd, then I considered a 3rd, then I added Fayne and bumped it to a 2nd. Whether they can use the additional $3Mish in cap space provided, I didn't account for.
The Oilers' Achilles has been their goals against. Plekanec not only helps defensively, but he takes on the toughest minutes. For a more offensively tilted team, having Plekanec in your bottom 6 can be invaluable. The Oilers do have a slew of young wingers, but I feel Hudon is a different player. Too many players in the same mold can be detrimental and Hudon tends to find different ways to contribute.
Edmonton could really use a Gallagher or a Carr, but I didn't want to trade Gallagher, not to mention his higher salary, and Carr doesn't have a high enough value to consider in this deal.
Looking over it again, I'd probably go back to my original thought of Nurse and a 4th, but you're right. Nurse may no longer be available, or his price might have gone up.



For Benn, I expect WPG's pick to be at the bottom of the 2nd round and they wouldn't be the only suitor. I do think Benn could potentially net a 2nd, but it depends what's on the market. Even then, he has the advantage of being more versatile than most. If you sustain an injury and don't want to mess with your pairings, Benn is the perfect guy to have available.
For Byron, the 2018 picks were building up, and I thought it might be better to start working on next year's stock as well, but I agree.
With acquiring Honka, it is presuming we move Petry in the off season. Honka would get first crack at replacing him.

Seems I've been undervaluing Nurse after all. I'll move some of the beads on my mental abacus over.

For Tampa, I'd like to pick up Joseph, but I don't want to overpay for a former 4th rounder.
At first I thought they might like to bring Froese back, since he has some familiarity and they may not have expected him to be a solid 4th line option when they let him go. I don't think Froese has as much value as DLR, and DLR could potentially serve the same purpose. He has the tools, if they can get the performance out of him. I know we can't. Maybe a bit of a project for a prospect trade. I agree DLR's value is low, but has he dropped below 4th round pick territory?
Anyway, this isn't a crucial trade. I'm looking at an opportunity to add a depth prospect, since we're running low in the offensive RW department.

Thanks for the feedback.

This was incredibly satisfying to read. After reading a lot of comments on this site I didn't know hockey fans were capable of providing constructive criticism to one another in an amicable manner. Kudos to all of you!!

Overall solid trades.