No way i’d do the Van trade even to unload Beleskey. Not giving up Frederic for spare parts, one a rental.

I like the Chi deal but they would decline.

You wouldn't give up Frederic for Edler? WTF!?!? That makes no sense at all to me. A future 3rd liner for a #3 LHD who can make us way harder to play against. I went to the game vs NJ and saw Grzelcyk live and wasn't impressed. He messed up several things several times and it's gonna get worse under the bright lights of the playoffs. Frederic is a spare part to me who I'll trade for an upgrade. I think Lauzon has more value than him as of now as well, so it's messed up you would reference Frederic as a deal breaker. Studnicka and JFK are both better than him as future C's and the most important part was to keep our 1st rounders. Both the 2018 and 2019 1st should be better than Frederic imo.

I sure wouldn’t. Have you actually seen him play or are you just quoting the analysis of him on draft day? He was a reach, and it looks like they were correct. I have seen him plsy 4 times this year. studnicka 3. While i like both Frederic impressed me more. Edler is solid. Not worth Frederic to me. Plenty of other options will be available, if that’s the cost i’ll move on.

Btw latest rumor is Ian Cole in 1 for 1 swap. Supposedly they asked for Kevin Miller and we passed. McQuaid might be it. They need a RHD we need a LH.

I think you must have seen his 4 goal game and heavily weigh that into your thought process of him..... everyone is capable of a fluke game like that. The other WJC games he wasn't very good and the announcer said the coaches were expecting more out of him and he was on the 4th line at one point for team USA. Ryan Lindgren was WAAAAAYYYY better and Lauzon is right up there with Lindgren imo.

Ian Cole is not any better than Miller or McQuaid and then we don't have a backup RHD if we traded them anyways. Give them Postma and a pick or no deal to be made. I don't really see Ian Cole as being better than Grzelcyk and I'm not a huge fan of Grzelcyk. Plus Pittsburg defenders suck.... it's like their coaching emphasizes offense only because the majority of their D-men suck so they play high scoring games. I think they have talent, but it's just a wide open system trying to outscore the other team instead of keeping the puck out of the net and that doesn't fit with us. Someone like Cole or Hunwick are basically worst case scenarios. To actually be happy about that level of addition is silly. Miller's been great (for him) all year and McQuaid is the #4 right now with Krug..... I don't see how trading one of them for Cole doesn't hurt us more than it helps.

Nope. Didn’t get to see the bronze medal game.

I didn’t say I was excited about Cole. Just telling you the rumor going around.

Okay, I don't like that rumor.

I also don't agree that Frederic is better than Studnicka.

No way am I giving that up for Edler/Vanek. This whole Frederic is a #3 is just guessing and honestly only started because Keith wasn't to happy with the pick (basically he wasn't the guy he wanted to draft). Frederic is a solid prospect that could bust or just as easily be a top 6 player. Not to mention he brings something this team lacks....a left handed centerman with size.

Bruins aren't going to include Beleskey in trades like this, and pay extra. He's going to be bought out or they're going to wait and hope that a team takes him on when he has a year left in his contract. Unless they can move him without having to pay a huge price on top of it, I just don't see it happening. Retaining on his deal isn't a bad option as well. He will have 2 years left in the off-season. No retaining and giving away a big piece is just a no-go.

Edler and Vanek (UFA) for Lauzon + Frederic + 2nd + 2nd (+ Beleskey). Taking out Beleskey, what....Does Vancouver only get one 2nd Round Pick? You didn't specify what the compensation was for Beleskey. The trade is pretty bad though. You're giving up too much here for essentially Edler. No Beleskey + no 2nd, you're still dealing, Frederic + Lauzon + 2nd for Edler and a rental. If you want to move big pieces like that, then you should be getting a better LHD back, and one who is younger and has some term. Its scary you don't think you're giving up "a whole lot" in that deal. You're trading two of Boston's better prospects for Edler (and a few months of Vanek, at most).

You took a deal that has been discussed on here, and did nothing but overkill it in favor for the Bruins. Hartman + 3rd for just Spooner was pretty good. Adding Pokka to the deal and thinking Fitzgerald and Postma (LOL) hold much value? Nope.

What doesn't make sense is why you think it's a forgone conclusion that Frederic is nothing more than a future 3rd line center. He's a prospect with an NHL floor, and top 6 potential as a power-center with size and skill. Studnicka and JFK are all different style centers than Frederic. JFK is better at the moment, but how is Studnicka also better? Their situations aren't comparable.



His usage in the WJC-20 tournament was pretty bad. He played a bottom 6 role on that team. He out-produced Ryan Poehling, who was getting much more of an opportunity. You say Ryan Lindgren was way better. Ok? Haha, he's a defenseman and was playing in his 2nd WJC-20 tournament. They're not comparable players. Lauzon is right up there with Lindgren, and yet you're dealing Lauzon + Frederic + picks for Edler and a few months of Vanek. Lauzon has top 4 upside, himself. You overkill this deal by adding other significant pieces on top of him.

Beleskey is worth a negative 2nd to get rid of imo right now. I don't mind giving that up to get rid of him. Retaining is okay, but then we pay a 3rd or 4th to get rid of him. Nobody is going to take Beleskey even with 1 year left unless they are paid to do so.

Edler is a really solid d-man and Vanek is going to cost Frederic or a 2nd + someone like Fitzgerald the way he's been playing this season. So if Vanek costs Frederic than Edler costs Lauzon + 2nd. Sure maybe that's a bit much, but I generally land on the side of the opposing team by a slight margin in order to keep from underpaying. If I took out Frederic and Beleskey for the 2nd the deal would look like crap. You can't seriously think Vancouver couldn't get more than Lauzon + 2nd for a rental of Vanek + Edler for a year and a half? Maybe Edler ends up liking it here and signs a 3 year extension for 6M per. He's also been really productive this season if you've missed it... we're getting 2 guys that are "hot" this season.

I think Fitzgerald has about as much value as Pokka and Chicago is great at plugging in no-names on the back end. Maybe that deal ends up slightly in favor of us for once, but I see Fitzgerald as a good prospect who I got to see him live at BC and he was one of the best players on the ice and looked better than Colin White in the offensive end of the ice. Postma isn't worth the 3rd, but I'd think Spooners track record could get us more than just Hartman. Having Postma could also help them this season as they push to get the final wildcard spot. I don't know who they'd prefer... Postma or Clendening at this point, but if they don't want Postma I could substitute someone like O'Gara or a forward like Agostino.

By saying better, I also mean better value. Lindgren + Studnicka hold more value than Frederic and I think you're full of **** if you say Frederic has an NHL floor. The last Bruins prospect that was raved about that way was Jared Knight and look how he turned out there big guy.

How does Studnicka hold more value than Frederic? There was a report that teams were calling Boston about Frederic, and Boston was saying no. I'm not full of ****. He has an NHL floor in my opinion. He seems like a safe bet to play in the NHL in some capacity with his size and skill set. He's 6'3'' 215 lbs, and while he's not fast, he can move for a big guy. He has a serious shot and during the WJC tournament, the announcer made note of it, saying he has one of the best shots in the NCAA. He's good at both ends of the ice. I'm full of **** saying he has an NHL floor? Not at all. You just don't like the fact that I don't agree with your opinion on him. He could very easily play in the NHL. He has everything you need.

NHL floor = playing in the NHL. Even if it's nothing more than a 4th line role, that's still an NHL floor.

Jared Knight dealt with serious injuries when he went professional. But yes, because one player was considered being an NHL player, and failed, that means the opinion is null and void. Hahaha

Having a good shot and size doesn't matter to being a lock as an NHL player. You also need to be able to keep up mentally, so I don't think any prospect is a lock or "has an NHL floor". Maybe upper end guys at the top of the 1st round, but even then they sometimes fail even if they are considered smart players or really skillful guys. My point is that it's just foolish to guarantee he's going to be an NHLer because you simply don't know yet that it will happen. You can go on record right now guaranteeing he'll be an NHLer, but you're going to look awfully stupid if he doesn't ever make the jump.

He possesses the qualities you need to be an NHL player. He is an intelligent two way forward, who plays with physicality and has strength. He has the size to play that style and be effective, and couple that with his shooting ability, and skating, I think he has an NHL floor. That isn't a wrong opinion. I'm far from foolish for thinking that. The Bruins drafted him in the first round for a reason. They feel the same way.

I won't look stupid if he doesn't make the jump, because it's not stupid for having an opinion like that.

You call this taking a huge chunk out of our prospect pool? Look in the mirror buddy....https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/564501.....https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/564899 Sure it's for better players, but you're giving up 4 pieces instead of 2 lol and you think I'm the one spending too much!? As I've already said to you, you're clearly the funniest person on here.

Well seeing McDonagh >>> Edler haha

I'm trading a big package for a 28 year old top pairing defenseman. You're trading a big package for a 2nd pairing guy who's 31 years old and had injury history oh and a few months of Vanek lolololololol

Good response. You really made your point!

I gave less than half the price, so you should expect half the player.... how you wouldn't understand that is hilarious. Also a 28 vs a 31 aren't similar aged players? What world do you live in... you wouldn't want a 31 year old for 2 seasons, but you'll give a 29 year old a 7 year extension lol.... you're just so great and always so witty.

I gave up Senyshyn, Zboril, Frederic, 1st for McDonagh (28 years old, 1.5 years left, top pairing defenseman). You gave up Frederic, Lauzon, 2nd for Edler (31 years old, 1.5 years left, 2nd pairing defenseman). You're going to pay more for the better player. I did that. More weak garbage from you. You're trying to come at me, and just sound like a moron since what you're trying to argue against isn't a big deal. Confrontational for the sake of it. You're just mad.