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RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Duclair, Anthony	2	$1,200,000
Hinostroza, Vinnie	2	$1,200,000
Jurco, Tomas	2	$1,200,000
Gustafsson, Erik	1	$1,000,000
Hayden, John	2	$1,000,000
Hartman, Ryan	2	$1,750,000
van Riemsdyk, Trevor	2	$1,250,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Kovalchuk, Ilya	1	$4,500,000
Voynov, Slava	1	$3,000,000
Wingels, Tommy	1	$1,750,000
Kempný, Michal	1	$1,000,000
Svedberg, Viktor	1	$1,000,000
Vermette, Antoine	1	$1,750,000
van Riemsdyk, James	6	$6,000,000
Hutton, Carter	1	$2,000,000
Hamhuis, Dan	1	$2,000,000
Lehtonen, Kari	1	$2,000,000

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$82,000,000	$70,424,295	$1,232,500	$982,500	$11,575,705

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kovalchuk, Ilya $4,500,000$4,500,000	Toews, Jonathan $10,500,000$10,500,000 C NMC UFA - 5	Kane, Patrick $2,625,000$2,625,000 RW NMC UFA - 5
van Riemsdyk, James $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 5	Schmaltz, Nick $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RW, C UFA - 1	DeBrincat, Alex $778,333$778,333 ($132,500$132K) LW, RW UFA - 2
Saad, Brandon $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Hinostroza, Vinnie $1,200,000$1,200,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Duclair, Anthony $1,200,000$1,200,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Hagelin, Carl $1,875,000$1,875,000 LW UFA - 1	Vermette, Antoine $1,750,000$1,750,000 C, LW UFA	Wingels, Tommy $1,750,000$1,750,000 RW, LW UFA
Hayden, John $1,000,000$1,000,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 2	Hartman, Ryan $1,750,000$1,750,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 5	Voynov, Slava $3,000,000$3,000,000
van Riemsdyk, Trevor $1,250,000$1,250,000 RD UFA - 2	Seabrook, Brent $6,875,000$6,875,000 RD NMC UFA - 6
Hamhuis, Dan $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD UFA - 2	Murphy, Connor $3,850,000$3,850,000 RD UFA - 4	Hutton, Carter $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 3
Kempný, Michal $1,000,000$1,000,000 LD UFA - 4	Oesterle, Jordan $650,000$650,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Lehtonen, Kari $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Crawford, Corey $6,000,000$6,000,000 G M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2

Feb. 19, 2018 at 3:36 a.m.

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Addendum:

- That 1st line could score at will.
- That 2nd line could do just as much damage as the first.
- That 3rd line is would be one of the fastest in the league. All those guys can fly like they've been shot out of a cannon.
- That 4th line can shut any teams 1st or 2nd lines down.

A team like this would be a shoe in for the Cup.

C'mon Bowman make it happen, lol..

The best part is that team is comprised of basically all UFA's with the exception of Hagelin, but I don't think Bowman would have too much trouble pulling off that trade.. If it's off it's not off by much.

Feb. 19, 2018 at 3:54 a.m.

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Doubt that Voynov will return to NHL. He was fired or something from LA Kings after those domestic violence charges back in 2015, if I recall correctly.

Feb. 19, 2018 at 5:26 a.m.

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You really don't understand the cap floor do you? Other teams have paid Arizona and Las Vegas players and picks to along with players on LTIR, Arizona and Vegas don't give up players an picks. With Hossa he might return, and wouldn't waive his NMC to go to Arizona anyway. And if he's on LTIR, it really doesn't make any difference to the Coyotes or Hawks Being on LTIR doesn't really hurt a teams cap anyway. Arizona doesn't need any additional "dead bodies" to reach the cap floor, they are fine.

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Feb. 19, 2018 at 7:33 a.m.

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Quoting: Starsfan98

Doubt that Voynov will return to NHL. He was fired or something from LA Kings after those domestic violence charges back in 2015, if I recall correctly.

Yeah, a wife beater probably isn't welcomed back into the NHL, but anything can happen I guess.

If the rumors are true about Kovalchuk, i think he goes to NYR not the Blackhawks. He liked it on the east coast previously

Feb. 19, 2018 at 1:44 p.m.

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Quoting: orignalsix

You really don't understand the cap floor do you? Other teams have paid Arizona and Las Vegas players and picks to along with players on LTIR, Arizona and Vegas don't give up players an picks. With Hossa he might return, and wouldn't waive his NMC to go to Arizona anyway. And if he's on LTIR, it really doesn't make any difference to the Coyotes or Hawks Being on LTIR doesn't really hurt a teams cap anyway. Arizona doesn't need any additional "dead bodies" to reach the cap floor, they are fine.

You really don't understand that Hossa has a salary of 1 million dollars and a cap hit of 5.275 do you?

No you don't and you will still be confused this summer when Hossa brings an asset back to the Hawks... Perhaps the concept that Hossa saves a team 4.275 in cash profit is just way too difficult for you to get...

Feb. 19, 2018 at 5:55 p.m.

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Quoting: HawksFan28

You really don't understand that Hossa has a salary of 1 million dollars and a cap hit of 5.275 do you?

No you don't and you will still be confused this summer when Hossa brings an asset back to the Hawks... Perhaps the concept that Hossa saves a team 4.275 in cash profit is just way too difficult for you to get...

This would be first time in history this type of trade happens.....and that is why it doesn't. Oh, Hossa has NMC, he's not spending his last playing days in Arizona. Now if Hossa was guaranteed to be LTIR the rest of his career which certainly is iffy, Hossa and Arizona might be the trade...but Arizona still get the sweetener. Arizona is getting to the cap floor without Hossa now.

Feb. 19, 2018 at 6:13 p.m.

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Edited Feb. 19, 2018 at 6:20 p.m.

Quoting: orignalsix

This would be first time in history this type of trade happens.....and that is why it doesn't. Oh, Hossa has NMC, he's not spending his last playing days in Arizona. Now if Hossa was guaranteed to be LTIR the rest of his career which certainly is iffy, Hossa and Arizona might be the trade...but Arizona still get the sweetener. Arizona is getting to the cap floor without Hossa now.

No, you cant wrap your head around why a 5.275 cap hit for a 1 million dollar salary would be attractive to Arizona can you?

Do you understand the less a team spends on salary the more money they make? can you understand why a 5.275 cap hit is good at 1 million in salary?

With Hossa the team automatically - by de facto - earns 4.275 in profit?

How much do you think 4.275 in profit every year for the next 3 years is worth to a cash strapped team like Arizona.... Hossa would save Arizona $ 12,825,000 over the next 3 seasons and you think that is worth nothing???

Do you even understand what I am saying?

Also, Arizona has $43,566,943 in cap with 15 players signed.. You better believe the cap floor is going up to at least 65,000,000 due to the Vegas revenue ....

How do you plan on spending 22,000,000 on 10 players????

You can bet Hossa and his cheap 1 million dollar salary with his 5.275 cap hit would be extremely appealing to Arizona..

Feb. 20, 2018 at 8:26 a.m.

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Quoting: HawksFan28

No, you cant wrap your head around why a 5.275 cap hit for a 1 million dollar salary would be attractive to Arizona can you?

Do you understand the less a team spends on salary the more money they make? can you understand why a 5.275 cap hit is good at 1 million in salary?

With Hossa the team automatically - by de facto - earns 4.275 in profit?

How much do you think 4.275 in profit every year for the next 3 years is worth to a cash strapped team like Arizona.... Hossa would save Arizona $ 12,825,000 over the next 3 seasons and you think that is worth nothing???

Do you even understand what I am saying?

Also, Arizona has $43,566,943 in cap with 15 players signed.. You better believe the cap floor is going up to at least 65,000,000 due to the Vegas revenue ....

How do you plan on spending 22,000,000 on 10 players????

You can bet Hossa and his cheap 1 million dollar salary with his 5.275 cap hit would be extremely appealing to Arizona..

You're the one that doesn't understand. The only way Arizona pays a 1m if is Hossa waives his NMC for Arizona. Arizona isn't waiving his NMC for Arizona. Now explain that?

What was the cap floor this season. 53m, with an cap increase of 5m, the cap floor would rise 3.5m. to OK 57m. You're just lying to saying that the cap floor is going to rise 12m to justify your argument. Certainly the cap isn't going to 75 to 90m. The cap floor is a % of the top cap. The cap is expected to be 80m

So the using accurate figure of 57m floor, Arizona has 14m to sign 10 players to reach the cap.

In what world do you believe Hossa is going to waive his NMC actually play in Arizona. And if Hossa is going to stay on LTIR, it really doesn't affect the Hawks cap at all

This site is CapFriendly. You should stick to fantasy roto games. Your theories have no practically reality in NHL trades. I think you know it, but maybe have never have been told you wrong before, so it's too tough for you to adjust.

Feb. 20, 2018 at 3:04 p.m.

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Quoting: orignalsix

You're the one that doesn't understand. The only way Arizona pays a 1m if is Hossa waives his NMC for Arizona. Arizona isn't waiving his NMC for Arizona. Now explain that?

What was the cap floor this season. 53m, with an cap increase of 5m, the cap floor would rise 3.5m. to OK 57m. You're just lying to saying that the cap floor is going to rise 12m to justify your argument. Certainly the cap isn't going to 75 to 90m. The cap floor is a % of the top cap. The cap is expected to be 80m

So the using accurate figure of 57m floor, Arizona has 14m to sign 10 players to reach the cap.

In what world do you believe Hossa is going to waive his NMC actually play in Arizona. And if Hossa is going to stay on LTIR, it really doesn't affect the Hawks cap at all

This site is CapFriendly. You should stick to fantasy roto games. Your theories have no practically reality in NHL trades. I think you know it, but maybe have never have been told you wrong before, so it's too tough for you to adjust.

If Hossa went to Arizona he wouldn't play, so why wouldn't he waive his NMC? why? is there a reason for him not to? no. The only possible reason would be if he thinks he can play, but if Hossa doesn't make a return to the Hawks this fall he will never play again... He's 39, and rarely do players take 2 years off and come back at that age... The only player(s) that I know of that did are Gordie Howe, Guy Lafleur & Claude Lemieux.... So the chances of Hossa coming back after next season are slim to none.

Also, we can speculate about the cap floor all you like, but NO NUMBERS have been released yet.. Then you call me a liar when your speculation is no better than mine? lol

The notion Arizona wouldn't be interested in a 4.275 cap circumvention is asinine. ANY team in Arizona's position would be attracted to Hossa's contract because it's cap security - and it's not only about this season. Hossa is singed for 3 more years.... Funny part is Arizona has expiring UFA's a year from now, how do you expect to be able to trade them at the TDL? oh right, you cant because you would go under cap...

Hossa's contract would be ideal for Arizona, and you're doing nothing more than concocting any reason you can think to claim it's not..

Hossa doesn't have to be traded by the Blackhawks, teams at the cap floor are going to want him because Hossa's contract allows teams to take on a nice cap hit with a minimal 1 million dollar salary, and the difference between Hossa's salary and cap hit would be all profit to a team, that or it would allow a team to spend more than they otherwise would - either way Hossa's contract is a monetary asset...

Feb. 20, 2018 at 6:17 p.m.

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Quoting: HawksFan28

If Hossa went to Arizona he wouldn't play, so why wouldn't he waive his NMC? why? is there a reason for him not to? no. The only possible reason would be if he thinks he can play, but if Hossa doesn't make a return to the Hawks this fall he will never play again... He's 39, and rarely do players take 2 years off and come back at that age... The only player(s) that I know of that did are Gordie Howe, Guy Lafleur & Claude Lemieux.... So the chances of Hossa coming back after next season are slim to none.

Also, we can speculate about the cap floor all you like, but NO NUMBERS have been released yet.. Then you call me a liar when your speculation is no better than mine? lol

The notion Arizona wouldn't be interested in a 4.275 cap circumvention is asinine. ANY team in Arizona's position would be attracted to Hossa's contract because it's cap security - and it's not only about this season. Hossa is singed for 3 more years.... Funny part is Arizona has expiring UFA's a year from now, how do you expect to be able to trade them at the TDL? oh right, you cant because you would go under cap...

Hossa's contract would be ideal for Arizona, and you're doing nothing more than concocting any reason you can think to claim it's not..

Hossa doesn't have to be traded by the Blackhawks, teams at the cap floor are going to want him because Hossa's contract allows teams to take on a nice cap hit with a minimal 1 million dollar salary, and the difference between Hossa's salary and cap hit would be all profit to a team, that or it would allow a team to spend more than they otherwise would - either way Hossa's contract is a monetary asset...

This is been about the "trick you have your sleeve". But it still makes no sense. Coyotes do not help to get to the floor. But if they did, they could go to Vegas who has Clarkson on permanent LTIR. and it wouldn't cost them any money at all....certainly not the 1m you're talking about.

Oh my god, then you refute what I said the cap would next year. It's going to be about 80m according to Bettman. The cap floor is about 70% of the cap by the so by that it's going to be about 56m or so. You pulled 65m out of the air just to support your stupid Hossa trade.
There are zillions of trade opportunities to be made on this sight, it would be nice if you tried to make one that sense.

Feb. 20, 2018 at 10:45 p.m.

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Quoting: orignalsix

This is been about the "trick you have your sleeve". But it still makes no sense. Coyotes do not help to get to the floor. But if they did, they could go to Vegas who has Clarkson on permanent LTIR. and it wouldn't cost them any money at all....certainly not the 1m you're talking about.

Oh my god, then you refute what I said the cap would next year. It's going to be about 80m according to Bettman. The cap floor is about 70% of the cap by the so by that it's going to be about 56m or so. You pulled 65m out of the air just to support your stupid Hossa trade.
There are zillions of trade opportunities to be made on this sight, it would be nice if you tried to make one that sense.

Why would Arizona acquire Carkson? what, so they can pay his 7 million dollar salary LOL?

You seriously don't get what I'm saying do you?

Do you comprehend any of this?

Hossa: 1 million dollar salary, 5.275 cap hit.
Clarkson: 7 million dollar salary, 5.2 million dollar cap hit.

Notice the difference?

Do you understand WHY Hossa has a unique contract? do you NOT understand that whomever trades for Hossa will get a 5.275 million dollar cap hit for 1 million in salary..

It's like the salaries go over your head when the salaries are the POINT of my argument.

Feb. 21, 2018 at 12:10 a.m.

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Edited Feb. 21, 2018 at 12:30 a.m.

Quoting: HawksFan28

Why would Arizona acquire Carkson? what, so they can pay his 7 million dollar salary LOL?

You seriously don't get what I'm saying do you?

Do you comprehend any of this?

Hossa: 1 million dollar salary, 5.275 cap hit.
Clarkson: 7 million dollar salary, 5.2 million dollar cap hit.

Notice the difference?

Do you understand WHY Hossa has a unique contract? do you NOT understand that whomever trades for Hossa will get a 5.275 million dollar cap hit for 1 million in salary..

It's like the salaries go over your head when the salaries are the POINT of my argument.

That's your problems the only hockey player you know is Hossa. Sorry bud there are 31 teams in the NHL. As I wrote earlier, Clarkson is permanently on LTIR, full insured. So if the Coyotes wanted to bump up their cap for they no reason to now, they could acquire Clarkson and it wouldn't cost them 1m a year, which you say it cost them in Hossa money. Yes I get that. It's easy, even you can figure it.
Wow, you just don't understand any thing about any other teams or their players they you can't see straight.
The point is the Coyotes do not need any part of Hossa's dead money. You proved in your early statements you don't know or even care what the cap floor is. It's all you trying to make a useless trade that never the Coyotes need or want and if Hossa stays on LTIR, it's no different to the Hawks. And even if Hossa resumes "playing" the Coyotes don't need his cap hit.
How can you lie to me or to yourself that Arizona needs Hossa cap hit of 5m which cost 1m.? They don't, only you think they do. As I suggested if Arizona wanted they could just acquire Clarkson which is 5.25m cap hit but doesn't cost them any money. It this the only trade you can think of, cause you hold onto so dearly. But it's useless.

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