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Help me make this deal work

Created by: jmac490
Team: 2017-18 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 22, 2018
Published: Feb. 22, 2018
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Montreal needs to add... they get their #1 center with term for a relatively decent contract. Edm gets a winger for McDavid and their cap hit goes down substantially
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  1. Pacioretty, Max
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Def need an add here from Montreal
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$75,000,000$61,184,498$825,000$7,725,000$13,815,502
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$4,050,000$4,050,000
LW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW
UFA - 2
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 4
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
LW, RW
RFA - 1
$5,250,000$5,250,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 6
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
$1,950,000$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 3
$675,000$675,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000 (Performance Bonus$200,000$200K)
LW, C
UFA - 1
$725,000$725,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
$4,166,666$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 4
$4,166,666$4,166,666
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NMC
UFA - 2
$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 6
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
RD
UFA - 1
$1,062,500$1,062,500
G
UFA - 2
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 4
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 4
$1,425,000$1,425,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Feb. 22, 2018 at 11:56 p.m.
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After seeing drai' s dominance today.. You can't trade him
Feb. 22, 2018 at 11:56 p.m.
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After seeing drai' s dominance today.. You can't trade him


just spitballing... I'm thinking MTL has to add quite a bit
Feb. 23, 2018 at 12:02 a.m.
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just spitballing... I'm thinking MTL has to add quite a bit


Only way is trade drai to Montreal is if they heavily overpay they're desperate for a first line centre and they will need to overpay just as the oilers did for Larsson
Feb. 23, 2018 at 12:06 a.m.
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Only way is trade drai to Montreal is if they heavily overpay they're desperate for a first line centre and they will need to overpay just as the oilers did for Larsson

I agree with this statement,the only way you’re getting Draisaitl is a heavy overpay. Interested in 2018 1st, Byron and Gallagher
Feb. 23, 2018 at 12:07 a.m.
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I agree with this statement,the only way you’re getting Draisaitl is a heavy overpay. Interested in 2018 1st, Byron and Gallagher


Gallagher juulsen and 2018 first for drai and lucic I'm serious they need to overpay an take lucic if they want drai
Feb. 23, 2018 at 12:36 a.m.
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I agree with this statement,the only way you’re getting Draisaitl is a heavy overpay. Interested in 2018 1st, Byron and Gallagher


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Gallagher juulsen and 2018 first for drai and lucic I'm serious they need to overpay an take lucic if they want drai


Would like to maybe get a Montreal fans opinion as well... 1 game shouldn't dictate a players value
Feb. 23, 2018 at 12:44 a.m.
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Would like to maybe get a Montreal fans opinion as well... 1 game shouldn't dictate a players value


He would be a bonified number 1 centre
Feb. 23, 2018 at 1:04 a.m.
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Would like to maybe get a Montreal fans opinion as well... 1 game shouldn't dictate a players value


wasn’t pinning his value on one game.. you’re getting a number one center who isn’t even in his prime yet..
Feb. 23, 2018 at 1:13 a.m.
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He would be a bonified number 1 centre


Not disputing that... I think he is a very strong player.. would like to see how his stats are with and without McDavid on the ice at the same time to get a better idea on what Montreal needs to sell
Feb. 23, 2018 at 11:24 a.m.
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@EthanK24 @ricochetii @KSIxSKULLS I know all 3 of you guys are big Habs fans... what would MTL need to add onto this deal
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Feb. 23, 2018 at 12:32 p.m.
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@EthanK24 @ricochetii @KSIxSKULLS I know all 3 of you guys are big Habs fans... what would MTL need to add onto this deal


I dont like this deal simply because of Draisatls contract. We are already paying Price 10.5 and Weber 7.8, We cannot afford another monster contract. Tack Weber on this deal + Something from Edmontons side (Nurse?) and id be interested
Feb. 23, 2018 at 1:05 p.m.
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I dont like this deal simply because of Draisatls contract. We are already paying Price 10.5 and Weber 7.8, We cannot afford another monster contract. Tack Weber on this deal + Something from Edmontons side (Nurse?) and id be interested


Nurse is arguably the best defenseman EDM has... and EDM falls into the same problem because they have to give McDavid 12.5 + other roster players 6M+ so they have no room for Weber. And Weber is declining and his contract is a monster.
Feb. 23, 2018 at 2:35 p.m.
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Nurse is arguably the best defenseman EDM has... and EDM falls into the same problem because they have to give McDavid 12.5 + other roster players 6M+ so they have no room for Weber. And Weber is declining and his contract is a monster.


I just dont see a deal. Weber would be a Leader and hes a #1 Defensemen on most teams in the NHL right now. Hes very valuable to many teams, but in order to trade a Monster contract like Draisatl, you need to take a Monster Contract back (Considering Draisatl makes 8.5), Edmonton would actually be saving money
Feb. 23, 2018 at 3:20 p.m.
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I just dont see a deal. Weber would be a Leader and hes a #1 Defensemen on most teams in the NHL right now. Hes very valuable to many teams, but in order to trade a Monster contract like Draisatl, you need to take a Monster Contract back (Considering Draisatl makes 8.5), Edmonton would actually be saving money


I mean with Patches at 4.5 (and more in 2 years) + 7M with Weber they won't be
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Feb. 23, 2018 at 4:25 p.m.
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@EthanK24 @ricochetii @KSIxSKULLS I know all 3 of you guys are big Habs fans... what would MTL need to add onto this deal


I don't think Edmonton would bite on Pacioretty as the main piece unless Lucic was also involved, which would free up the salary to extend Patches.
Pacioretty, Shaw, and Juulsen for Draisaitl and Lucic would be about fair value (no overpayment), but you likely won't convince Edmonton fans here of that, based on what I've seen.

Pacioretty is typically undervalued for a number of reasons, but the fact is, he has 40 goal potential for a number of years next to an elite center like McDavid. He also plays a two way game and kills penalties, where offensive wingers are typically less reliable in those areas.

Shaw is treated like a bad contract, when he is in reality within about $500k of what he is worth. Take Eller for example, who just signed an extension. Eller is the better center, but Shaw is younger and more versatile. He also brings those extra elements that the Oilers lack.

Juulsen is a promising top 4 RHD, who will likely be ready before anyone Edmonton has in the system, should surpass Benning in short order, and hopefully be top 4 capable by the time Sekera or Russel's NTC's expire and they can be moved out.

Taking Lucic affects the value offered for Draisaitl. As much as I would prefer not to have Lucic on my team, he does have history with Julien, and perhaps he could offer hope to get better performance out of his former player.
Montreal may need to add a 2nd, with their own pick being roughly a late 1st this year, or perhaps a conditional 1st next season, based on Lucic improving his performance, but that comes down to negotiation between the two GMs. Neither is dealing from a position of strength. MB needs a 1C, while PC needs to put his team in a position to better compete. Something along these lines helps both teams, so anything extra comes down to who blinks first.

Weber would greatly improve Edmonton's outlook, but leaves Montreal with another large hole to fill. People have shown they can't be objective where he is involved. The focus always turns to age/contract, instead of what he brings to the table, and the contract concerns are negligible to begin with.

Gallagher is another popular option. Someone the Habs are not going to move unless they absolutely can not refuse.

Then there's Galchenyuk, who would be available in such a trade, and offers Edmonton somewhat of a do-over from drafting Yakupov. He may be more enticing than Paccioretty, but I'd avoid taking Lucic and add a non-top 10 pick instead, (Galchenyuk, Shaw, Juulsen, 1st or 2nd for Draisaitl and a "project" player). Montreal would be re-signing Paccioretty in that case, so no room to take on Lucic.

That's about the limits of what I would offer, and not without risk and hesitation.
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Feb. 23, 2018 at 5:10 p.m.
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I don't think Edmonton would bite on Pacioretty as the main piece unless Lucic was also involved, which would free up the salary to extend Patches.
Pacioretty, Shaw, and Juulsen for Draisaitl and Lucic would be about fair value (no overpayment), but you likely won't convince Edmonton fans here of that, based on what I've seen.

Pacioretty is typically undervalued for a number of reasons, but the fact is, he has 40 goal potential for a number of years next to an elite center like McDavid. He also plays a two way game and kills penalties, where offensive wingers are typically less reliable in those areas.

Shaw is treated like a bad contract, when he is in reality within about $500k of what he is worth. Take Eller for example, who just signed an extension. Eller is the better center, but Shaw is younger and more versatile. He also brings those extra elements that the Oilers lack.

Juulsen is a promising top 4 RHD, who will likely be ready before anyone Edmonton has in the system, should surpass Benning in short order, and hopefully be top 4 capable by the time Sekera or Russel's NTC's expire and they can be moved out.

Taking Lucic affects the value offered for Draisaitl. As much as I would prefer not to have Lucic on my team, he does have history with Julien, and perhaps he could offer hope to get better performance out of his former player.
Montreal may need to add a 2nd, with their own pick being roughly a late 1st this year, or perhaps a conditional 1st next season, based on Lucic improving his performance, but that comes down to negotiation between the two GMs. Neither is dealing from a position of strength. MB needs a 1C, while PC needs to put his team in a position to better compete. Something along these lines helps both teams, so anything extra comes down to who blinks first.

Weber would greatly improve Edmonton's outlook, but leaves Montreal with another large hole to fill. People have shown they can't be objective where he is involved. The focus always turns to age/contract, instead of what he brings to the table, and the contract concerns are negligible to begin with.

Gallagher is another popular option. Someone the Habs are not going to move unless they absolutely can not refuse.

Then there's Galchenyuk, who would be available in such a trade, and offers Edmonton somewhat of a do-over from drafting Yakupov. He may be more enticing than Paccioretty, but I'd avoid taking Lucic and add a non-top 10 pick instead, (Galchenyuk, Shaw, Juulsen, 1st or 2nd for Draisaitl and a "project" player). Montreal would be re-signing Paccioretty in that case, so no room to take on Lucic.

That's about the limits of what I would offer, and not without risk and hesitation.


Cap issues would be a problem for MTL for sure if they took Drai and Lucic because they would need to resign Danault and potentially Plek (depends if he wants to be a Canadien with a cheap contract).

The offer would have to be big from MTL but what you do give up is perfect for giving EDM grit and competitive edge.

Not sure if MTL would make the deal that you offer, but I'm pretty sure EDM would accept
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