No way that’s even close for eichal

Probably would have to add Holtby for Buffalo to even consider it.

That Eichel trade is a royal At least start with Backstrom i wouldn't give up Larkin for that let alone Jack Eichel.

hahaha yeah

eichel has 167 points in 201 games (since 15-16) .83ppg
kuznetsov 207 points in 235 games (since 15-15) .88ppg

kuzy is 2.2 million cheaper and caps add a 1st and a prospect yeah thats really far off............i mean i get if you think the value is slightly off but that is just stupid to say not even close .....but please tell a guy that preforms at a higher rate for less isnt near that value... dude stop being petty

kuzy is great

hahahahaha larkin isnt in the same league as kuzy hahahahaha wow please stay far away from this conversation......larkin might not even be a 3rd line center in dc........hahaha oh man thatnk you for that

eichel hasnt proven anything yet just a ton of potential on a team that sucks............kuzy out preforms him and is 2.2 million less i highly doubt caps add a vez winning goalie to that equation

Not even close, thats like Buffalo giving you Reinhart, Nylander, and a 2019 1st for Ovi

Throw in Eichel, and we're good.

Well said. Yeah. Kuznetsov has had some great wings to work with though, in Burakovsky, Vrana, Marcus Johanson.... Who has Eichel had to play with besides Ryan O'Reilly and a bunch of 6M dollar guys who scored 30 goals a year until they joined the Sabres and stopped having any centers to work with except for.... oh wait... I think this argument has gone full circle.

Holtby's having a rough month. It's possible Grubauer steps up and makes him tradeable,but put a separate offer on the table that acknowledges he's the all time record holder for wins in a single season, at 48 (although there's a tie with some Bro named Marty?).

Clearly everyone except caps fans agrees with my statement ?? stop being bias. Remove eichals first season and the last two years he’s been nearly a PPG on a terrible team with little support. Kuzy is a product of his great team, not to say kuzy isn’t a great player, but he’s nowhere on the level of eichal.

Put it this way, I’m a pens fan, and if Pittsburgh were to trade say Malkin (whose MUCH better than kuzy), a first and sprong which is a much better package, Buffalo would STILL decline it

Malkin is better he’s also more money and older.

Yeah pens and Sabre fans agree w u. Solid lmk wh n eichel gets 70 points in a season. Hahaha

Buffalo would shoot down that offer so quick. Eichal is UNTOUCHABLE. Zero chance he moves. ZERO

I love how eichel has less productivity and cost 2.2 million more but kuzy doesn’t get you close to him

Oh not to mention eichel is lazy complains wants out of buffalo and is injured frequently. Haha

Imo that changes once caeey middle whatever starts playing. He’ll end up being better and more positive and eichel will be out

If he didnt blow out his ankles carrying this deadweight boat anchor he already would have

Nah theyll keep both, thats the point of building a winner

Well see

Yep. O'Reilly is already a good bit better, defensively. Nothing wrong with having center depth, but Kuznetsov's not too bad, either.



I've noticed that some guys get the same point totals no matter how many games or minutes they get. Like, Crosby or Gaborik get a ton of points per game in the years they sit out half the season with hurt feelings, but then they come back and play a full year, and they still only have the same two or three hot streaks, and a few random assists in between. I'd point out that this is because they are people, and not video game simulations, but even the video game simulations have had hot and cold streaks for at least a decade.

Eichel has between 22 and 24 goals in each of his three seasons. He has 32 or 33 assists each season. Whether a player goes through two months of the season as "slumping" or as, "injured," they are subject to the same physical limitations. A lot of people have absolute opinions about which shows more toughness, but I think it comes down to what the team needs.

And to say that Eichel had no support? On a team with Ryan O'Reilly, Evander Kane, Kyle Okposo, Rasmus Ristolainen, Reinhart, etc... it doesn't make sense. Buffalo has no depth, at any position, so they lose a ton of games, which might be demoralizing, but they have enough skill guys that they should never be shut out. Does Eichel have more potential than Kuznetsov? Sure. He's four years younger and averages two more goals per season (over the three years they've both been full time NHLers). Does he have a late 1st round pick's worth of extra talent? Hard to say.

Kuznetsov has led the Caps in points a couple of times. He's rarely injured. He skates really well. He makes passes Eichel wouldn't dream of. I just don't think throwing in a first pick to get a guy who's four years younger and just as good makes that much sense. There's certainly a chance that a wing like Ovechkin or Oshie can turn Eichel around, and get him producing up to the expectation of his contract. Maybe the Caps trade Kuznetsov and Burakovsky to find out? That way at least the trade is cap-neutral.

I think it's worth noting that Kuznetsov didn't fall to the Caps because there were better players. He fell to the Caps because at the time, the KHL budget was about equal to the NHL's, and the KHL was making noises about not letting its best young players leave for the NHL. In other words, the Caps were the only team optimistic enough to think they'd be able to afford Kuznetsov. It didn't hurt that they figured he'd like to play with Ovechkin, of course, but if the draft had been entirely based on hockey considerations, he'd have been a top five pick, too.

My point to him was kuzy and eichel are equal talent to say the value isnt close is crazy and stupid. 4 years isn’t that much esp when you’re talking 21 and 25