Karlssons worth more, Girard or Jost instead of all those picks and prospects. especially if you're signing JT you dont need Jost. also if they keep jost, they might run into cap issues with rantanen and him having ELC coming up soon

i do think that tampa deal would be a 1:1 but i could see it going either way (as in either could add a 2nd/3rd)

other than that i really like this for the avs. they look like a top team in the nhl

you arent getting Jost or Girard in an EK trade, based on the Vegas frame work...that isnt happening . Ott wants their own 1st round pick back in the worst way. You arent giving up that pick and some of your best young players for him.

The deal is a bit light on the prospect end, but Ott 1st, Barrie, and maybe another piece is as much as it goes compared to Cody Glass, a pick, and Colin Miller. Dont see the big difference in value bw the 2 there

i was saying Jost and girard straight up for EK, i think that would be great for both ends , especially if you are getting JT

Still not moving Girard or Jost. You keep those guys, to have good young talent on ELCs for a few more years is key. If you can get Karlsson without moving those guys as well as Makar. You do it

yea colorado does it of course, but ott doesnt do it, unless you take on the ryan contract, then maybe, but still theyre getting so little when they can listen to other offers

Its Otts own pick thats the key. If they want to remove that clause or get their own pick back as bad as the rumours are saying. They arent given them the full value of a EK trade back. THey have something the Sens want bad. They would weight that more in a trade than just a standard 1st round pick.

And if Sens dont like it, Avs are cool keeping it and watch the team potentially give them Jack Hughes next year. Thats cool too.

im just saying that a big "if" for EK. maybe just one of them and the first. but not just the first and some prospects

Some very solid moves to make Colorado a big time contender. I'm not sure Ottawa does that deal for Karlsson though, even to get their own 1st back. I think it would be more likely that they would just give up the 4OA this year than use Karlsson to buy back next year's. I would think to give Karlsson, they would want it to be OTT 2019 1st plus either Makar or Girard, maybe even Timmins.

That's the value when acquiring Ryan's contract as well. Value goes up if Ryan's no in the trade.

I would do 1st and Barrie. Thats the angle I would push for. They get a good replacement for EK and will be easier to resign in 2 years and they get their pick back and dont have to deal with the scare of giving up Jack Hughes++++++ for matt duchene.

I really do believe that pick carries so much weight in trade value for the sens. Just the combo of that pick and high end prospects, I wouldnt trade the combo of those 2...they are to valuable to a team on the rebuilding rise like the Avs

would take Ryan if thats the case. Avs have the cap space to absorb it, as long as they have the chance to gauge EKs extension interest before any trade happens. Cant take on Ryan without more certainty that you are keeping EK more than a year

also i dont see a future for jost if you sign JT as well, thats why i was thinking Jost+1st for EK, which i think would be great for both teams

Jost played more Wing last year than C....his future could be a winger on this team.

Thanks for the feedback, guys. A few things here:

1) I was basing this on assuming that Ottawa embraces a rebuild, mostly because it looks like they're losing 2/4 of their top scorers in Hoffman/Karlsson (and who knows what return they could get for Hoffman). You could argue that they were in the ECF 2 years back, but I think that team overachieved and got exposed this year.
2) If I'm Sakic, I'm valuing that 2019 1st round extremely high because it's likely a lottery pick (potentially Hughes)
3) If Ottawa does embrace a rebuild, they honestly might want Bobby Ryan in order to hit the cap floor
4) All that said, I may have slightly undervalued Karlsson. But I don't think it's far off (2019 1st pick is main piece)

Caps have better, younger, and tougher defensemen than Anton Lindholm. He doesn't get you Orpik or Grubuaer. I'm not sure where this idea is coming from. The Caps do not have a salary cap problem unless you look at builds by newbs who think they have no choice but to overpay guys like Kempny and Jerabek, both of whom they can easily afford to lose for nothing. Orpik mentored Schmidt and Carlson for a year each, and their teams did okay with them getting the most ice time this year. His cap hit is cheap for what he has brought to two Cup championships.