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Flyers June 21 - Simmonds to MIN for 1st rounder

Created by: Mardzy
Team: 2018-19 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 21, 2018
Published: Jun. 21, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Take on expensive expiring contracts in exchange for picks.
Gives prospects some time to develop before making the jump.
Hopefully by 2019 Hart, Frost, Kubel and Myers will be able to make the team.
2020 Ratcliffe, Rubtsov and Allison should be close.
When forwards are injured NAK, Vecch, Misha, and Goulbourne could be called up.
With Morin being out until Feb. some more depth needed adding in a 7th d.
When d get hurt Myers is the first call up, Brennan, and Wotherspoon may also get called up.
Hoping Stolarz can get healthy so he and Hart can split duties in Lehigh. If Hart adjusts well he's the first call up because of waiver exemption.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$720,000
2$720,000
2$720,000
1$760,000
1$845,000
1$900,000
2$910,000
2$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Zadina, Filip
3$925,000
2$3,250,000
2$850,000
2$4,750,000
2$650,000
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. Ennis, Tyler
  2. 2018 1st round pick (MIN)
  3. 2018 3rd round pick (VGK)
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (MIN)
2.
PHI
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (PHI)
DET
    return from not signing Mrazek
    3.
    PHI
    1. 2018 1st round pick (ARI)
    ARI
    1. 2018 1st round pick (STL)
    2. 2018 1st round pick (PHI)
    3. 2019 2nd round pick (PHI)
    4. 2020 3rd round pick (PHI)
    4.
    PHI
    1. 2018 4th round pick (DET)
    DET
    1. Neuvirth, Michal ($1,250,000 retained)
    2. 2018 5th round pick (PHI)
    Buyouts
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    2018
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    2019
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    2020
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$80,000,000$60,753,889$0$4,537,500$19,246,111

    Roster

    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $4,137,500$4,137,500
    RW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    $4,333,333$4,333,333
    C
    UFA - 4
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Zadina, Filip
    $925,000$925,000
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
    $8,250,000$8,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 6
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
    LW
    UFA - 2
    $4,750,000$4,750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 3
    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    C, RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    $2,350,000$2,350,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    $962,500$962,500
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    $845,000$845,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    $4,700,000$4,700,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    $650,000$650,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    LD
    UFA - 1
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 5
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    $2,345,000$2,345,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    $678,889$678,889
    RD
    UFA - 2
    $3,250,000$3,250,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    $900,000$900,000
    LD, LW
    UFA - 3

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    Jun. 21, 2018 at 10:07 a.m.
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    I think a trade with DAL for Spezza is more like Spezza for a 3rd, or DAL gives up a 4th or 5th for Neuvirth. Not sure DAL would give up 2nd, 3rd and Spezza for Neurvirth.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 10:20 a.m.
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    I think a trade with DAL for Spezza is more like Spezza for a 3rd, or DAL gives up a 4th or 5th for Neuvirth. Not sure DAL would give up 2nd, 3rd and Spezza for Neurvirth.


    Dallas is getting 5 mil salary relief. That's rather expensive
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 10:27 a.m.
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    I like the thought of picking up MIN's 1st and then trading the 2 higher 1sts to move up. I think OTT might want more than that though, they may want all 3 1sts.

    In Neuvy for Spezza deal, we would likely get 1 pick back.

    Don't like the CHI deal, we don't need another LHD and CHI needs a starting goalie right now.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 10:54 a.m.
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    Quoting: Mardzy
    Dallas is getting 5 mil salary relief. That's rather expensive


    They don't need the cap relief. Spezza isn't a cap dump. They still have 7 mil in cap space with him. I know everyone on this site thinks Spezza is a cap dump but that's just not case.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 10:56 a.m.
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    They don't need the cap relief. Spezza isn't a cap dump. They still have 7 mil in cap space with him. I know everyone on this site thinks Spezza is a cap dump but that's just not case.


    It is if they want to go get a UFA like JVR or Kovalchuk.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 11:03 a.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    It is if they want to go get a UFA like JVR or Kovalchuk.


    Do people realistically expect to get a 2nd and 3rd for 5 mil in cap relief. PHI would pay 5 mil for 1 year of a 3rd line center which is exactly what they need in their current cap situation. I'm just saying, teams aren't getting a 2nd round pick to "take on" Spezza.
    They can still sign Kovalchuck and get a backup goalie with current cap space.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 11:03 a.m.
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    They don't need the cap relief. Spezza isn't a cap dump. They still have 7 mil in cap space with him. I know everyone on this site thinks Spezza is a cap dump but that's just not case.


    He averaged 13 minutes ice time last year. With a year at 7.5 wouldn't it make sense for them to move on, especially if that meant the team could take on Kovalchuck, JVR, or even Voynov?
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 11:09 a.m.
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    Do people realistically expect to get a 2nd and 3rd for 5 mil in cap relief. PHI would pay 5 mil for 1 year of a 3rd line center which is exactly what they need in their current cap situation. I'm just saying, teams aren't getting a 2nd round pick to "take on" Spezza.
    They can still sign Kovalchuck and get a backup goalie with current cap space.


    What does a player with a 7.5 mil cap hit and 26 points bring in return?
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 11:11 a.m.
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    Do people realistically expect to get a 2nd and 3rd for 5 mil in cap relief. PHI would pay 5 mil for 1 year of a 3rd line center which is exactly what they need in their current cap situation. I'm just saying, teams aren't getting a 2nd round pick to "take on" Spezza.
    They can still sign Kovalchuck and get a backup goalie with current cap space.


    As I stated, we would likely only get 1 pick back and it likely would be the 3rd. If we got a 4th and 7th for taking on Filppula, we can surely get a 3rd for taking on Spezza.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 11:19 a.m.
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    He averaged 13 minutes ice time last year. With a year at 7.5 wouldn't it make sense for them to move on, especially if that meant the team could take on Kovalchuck, JVR, or even Voynov?


    If you don't just look at a stat line at the end of the season, you would know that Ken Hitchkock was the worst possible coach for Spezza, and utilizing him in a 4th line role, with an emphasis on defense, would most likely not produce more than 26 points. Spezza, along with a lot of other players, were set up for failure last year. The year before he had 50 points in 68 games, and the year before that 63 points in 75 games. So yes, he is getting up there in age, but he was set up failure last year and his 13 min and 26 points was not unexpected.

    Quoting: Mardzy
    What does a player with a 7.5 mil cap hit and 26 points bring in return?


    I'm not sure if you mean as far as what he brings to the team, or what he brings return in a trade, but I think he can still bring 40 points to a team. Put him between Janmark and Radulov, and he'll be just fine. He probably doesn't have much trade value, but I would rather keep him for 1 year than give up assets to get rid of him.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 11:20 a.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    As I stated, we would likely only get 1 pick back and it likely would be the 3rd. If we got a 4th and 7th for taking on Filppula, we can surely get a 3rd for taking on Spezza.


    I get that, and I'm just stating that you won't get a pick back for Spezza. You don't have to take him on, but you won't get a pick for doing so.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 11:21 a.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    As I stated, we would likely only get 1 pick back and it likely would be the 3rd. If we got a 4th and 7th for taking on Filppula, we can surely get a 3rd for taking on Spezza.


    That was also a different situation, TB needed to move Filppula because he had a NMC and they needed to move him before expansion draft.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 12:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    That was also a different situation, TB needed to move Filppula because he had a NMC and they needed to move him before expansion draft.


    Yes but he also made significantly less than Spezza plus you are getting a more capable backup than Lehtonen
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 4:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    Yes but he also made significantly less than Spezza plus you are getting a more capable backup than Lehtonen


    He makes 2.5 mil more than Filppula did, which DAL is taking on 2.5 in Neuvirth. so it's the same. Lehtonen is free agent, and won't be resigned, and there are plenty of backup goalies in free agency this year. It'd be completely different if Spezza had 2 or more years left, but he has one year left and DAL is not in a cap crunch.
    If DAL trades Spezza, they have to go out and sign a new center. Let's say that center (someone like Tyler Bozak) will get 4-5 million. Now DAL paid a 3rd round pick for 2.3 mil in cap space, which they still don't need.
    DAL lacks depth at center, so they aren't likely to trade one, much less give up a 3rd round pick to give one up.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 4:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    He makes 2.5 mil more than Filppula did, which DAL is taking on 2.5 in Neuvirth. so it's the same. Lehtonen is free agent, and won't be resigned, and there are plenty of backup goalies in free agency this year. It'd be completely different if Spezza had 2 or more years left, but he has one year left and DAL is not in a cap crunch.
    If DAL trades Spezza, they have to go out and sign a new center. Let's say that center (someone like Tyler Bozak) will get 4-5 million. Now DAL paid a 3rd round pick for 2.3 mil in cap space, which they still don't need.
    DAL lacks depth at center, so they aren't likely to trade one, much less give up a 3rd round pick to give one up.


    Except Neuvy is an asset and better than everyone out there except for maybe Bernier and Hutton who will both likely want more than Neuvy's 1 year deal at $2.5
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 4:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    Except Neuvy is an asset and better than everyone out there except for maybe Bernier and Hutton who will both likely want more than Neuvy's 1 year deal at $2.5


    Okay, then DAL will offer you a 4th or 5th rounder for him in a trade. No Spezza. No picks. Would that work?
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 5:01 p.m.
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    Okay, then DAL will offer you a 4th or 5th rounder for him in a trade. No Spezza. No picks. Would that work?


    probably. we can find a 3c elsewhere.
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    Jun. 21, 2018 at 5:02 p.m.
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    Edited Jun. 21, 2018 at 5:10 p.m.
    Quoting: jccamps18
    He makes 2.5 mil more than Filppula did, which DAL is taking on 2.5 in Neuvirth. so it's the same. Lehtonen is free agent, and won't be resigned, and there are plenty of backup goalies in free agency this year. It'd be completely different if Spezza had 2 or more years left, but he has one year left and DAL is not in a cap crunch.
    If DAL trades Spezza, they have to go out and sign a new center. Let's say that center (someone like Tyler Bozak) will get 4-5 million. Now DAL paid a 3rd round pick for 2.3 mil in cap space, which they still don't need.
    DAL lacks depth at center, so they aren't likely to trade one, much less give up a 3rd round pick to give one up.


    How is it that Dallas has no center depth? They have Janmark that played center at some point, Seguin, Shore, Faksa, Hanzal, Dickinson, also Benn and Pitlick have played center. Also Spezza played mostly wing last year didn't he?
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 5:15 p.m.
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    How is it that Dallas has no center depth? The have Janmark that played center at some point, Seguin, Shore, Faksa, Hanzal, Dickinson, also Benn and Pitlick have played center. Also Spezza played mostly wing last year didn't he?


    I should probably say quality center depth. Even a lineup of Seguin, Faksa, Janmark, Shore at center doesn't look great. Janmark can play center, but if he plays 3c our top 6 wingers don't look great. Benn could play center, but is much more effective at wing. Ideally this year the centers would be Seguin, Spezza, Faksa, and Hanzal/Hintz.
    All of those guys do play center, but whether or not they are quality centers or should be playing center is another issue. Plus, putting Spezza between Janmark and Radulov looks like a really good line.
    Jun. 21, 2018 at 5:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    probably. we can find a 3c elsewhere.


    There are plenty of them out there. Just remember free agent centers require term, and centers that contribute will cost picks. You're not going to get a pick to get your 3c.
     
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