Nylander has more value than Barrie

COL should be adding not TOR

Nylander is better than Barrie. Trading him for just Barrie is a gross overpayment. Throw in that Ottawa 1st rounder and then we'll make a deal.

Laughable. Defensemen are more valuable than wingers, especially powerplay specialists like Barrie. Not saying TOR should add a second, but no chance in hell you get more than Barrie for Nylander. One for one or add some lower-tier prospects.

Hall for Larson. Need I say more? I think Chairelli schooled everyone on how trading an elite young offensive player for a middle of the ground defencemen is a recipe for disaster. Yes Nylander isn't Hall, but Barrie isn't of higher value than Larson. Would TO trade Nylander for Larson? I doubt it, the benefits of having Nylander in the lineup compared to Barrie are likely a negative trade off. Nylander will score 80+ a year more than once in his career. Barrie's best years have likely already happened. Never trade a 22 year old elite offensive guy for something they can arguably get equal value as from their farm team.

Dubas would hang up the phone as soon as you say Barrie for Nylander. Then you said we'll throw in a second, I'd hang up again. Only thing that would make me move Nylander is if you grossly overpay for him. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to trade him.

So lets look at the numbers..
Barrie is a much different type of defenseman than Adam Larsson. That trade is not even comparable. Show me the max pts Larsson has ever put up and it wont come close to Barries average pts output. Barrie is a pt scoring dman and a proven one. If your big argument is barrie and Larsson are the same "midgrade dman" you are sorely wrong on that one. The Hall for Larsson trade was a joke and everyone clearly knew how that was going to end.
Im not saying this above trade is the perfect trade but you have to look at the fact that you just got John Tavares..
This trade actually makes a lot of sense now more than ever for both teams. Toronto needs Barrie a lot more than they need Nylander, and with Avalanche having Timmins and Makar and Girard they can afford to lose Barrie.
Toronto with Barrie makes their defense actually worth noting when an opposing team looks at their lineup. Nylander is great but you wont miss him now that you have Tavares. AND Barrie will put up similar numbers to what Nylander has been putting up. Just look at the stats and you will see Barrie is actually a very very good defenseman who is knocked because he isnt a stud defensively. But you can also chalk half that up to the fact colorados defense has been shambles since hes been an Av. Barrie on a high offense output team could easily break his previous career highs.
1 for 1 makes complete sense to me for both teams especially with toronto in Win now Mode.
Or another option would be to add a fwd like Shane Bowers from Avs and a d prospect from toronto to fill a future position hole from this trade if there is doubt.

So the preceived problem with Toronto's defence is that they don't defend well but manage to pile up the points. They had 2 guys score 50+ on the back end. Name me a team that did that last season.

Now I look at this trade from an overall team value perspective.

Is Toronto better with Nylander on the top line playing with Matthews vs having Barrie playing with Reilly.

With Nylander, Toronto's top two lines are utterly devastating, they will outscore everyone. Send your top line against Matthews and Tavares and Marner will destroy you. If you have enough depth to somewhat mitigate the top two lines and you still have to contend with Kadri on the 3rd line (Another 30 goal scoring centre). What happens if there are injuries and a centre misses time, well Nylander can jump in there and you don't miss a beat. What of the defence? Well its the same squad that finished 12th best for Goals Against and the addition of Tavares will make that even better!

So now lets look at TO with Barrie. 1st of all, more trades will need to be made because now the Leafs have too many offensive PP defenceman in Reilly, Barrie and Gardiner. You can even through Zaitsev and Dermott in there since they are capable of running a powerplay as well. What does the addition do at 5v5? The Leafs would likely increase some of their possession numbers at 5v5 but Tavares will likely greatly improve that on his own so the benefits are somewhat mitigated by natural progression form the centre depth and young guys getting better. However, if you take Nylander out of that top 6, that is a big time loss for the offence. Yes they'll still score but not at the scary rate they will with Nylander. The guy is one of the best 5v5 forwards in the league.

So with all that in mind, trading Nylander for Barrie makes zero sense. It doesn't improve the team overall and in the long run is a negative move.

So Barrie, a 26 year old, is already passed his prime? Interesting take.

Barrie > Larsson. Get your facts straight.

Nylander is a talented player and he will likely score 80+ in a year; I'm sure that's ridiculously difficult to do with Matthews or Tavares as your center too...

Well Hyman won't ever be scoring that many points. Its not easy to do.

And Larson and Barrie are equal, one is better offensively the other way better defensively. In either case, trading an elite offensive player for a defencemen only make sense if the defenceman is under 23 and is an elite talent as well. Like Johanson and Seth Jones. That trade makes sense, unfortunately it just doesn't happen anymore. Any team with a player like Seth Jones is going to want a Karlsson esq package for one of those guys. So if I am Dubas, I'm not paying a superstar premium for a good support player.

Its just poor asset management to overpay to fix a perceived flaw.

I don't disagree with your arguments and the 2nd rounder was a reach. Ideally I think Colorado takes someone with a negative value cap hit back. That's why Toronto makes this trade. As it stands right now Toronto has Ron freaking Hainsey as their top RD. Barrie is one of the most effective offensive Dmen of the last 8 years. And last year showed he can be an okay #1 guy f you need him to be, he showed this when Johnson was injured. The facts are Toronto can keep all their top forwards, but only if they NOTHING to improve their defence. It will be at least 3 years until guys like Liljgren and Sandin are ready, and you never know what could happen with prospects. both teams are dealing known quantities from areas of strength for an area of need. Barrie also is younger than Tavares and fits in Torontos window to cup chase perfectly. I really don't see a downside to this.