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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2018 at 2:23 p.m.
Thread: Sending the czech for Skinner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>You dont draft a kid, sign him to an ELC, take him to Dev Camp just to trade him in a months time. Thats not how the NHL works and thats not how a team does business.
If Carolina wanted Kaut they would have been serious about making the trade with the Avs at the draft, but they played hard ball trying to get a kings ransom for Skinner and it back fired for now.

Its just unrealistic and doesnt work in todays NHL landscape.</div></div>

I agree its very unlikely based on your points of how the NHL is today. But if you look at the avs trade that brought in Shane Bowers. The avs really wanted bowers at draft day as their 2nd round pick but he didnt fall far enough.. so same sorta scenario.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2018 at 2:18 p.m.
Thread: Good fit for EK65
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SuprDave45</b></div><div>...That says it all! The point of bringing up 2015 is that it's been a minute since this guy was drafted. If he were progressing as a high level prospect, he'd have played in the NHL by now on a team like Colorado who has been in rebuild for a while...he has not. Having two NHL caliber Dmen on the right side would be the perfect opportunity to work in a rookie on the third pair to protect his minutes. The fact that this hasn't been done means he's below the caliber of player(s) its going to take to get EK...period!</div></div>

If <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SuprDave45</b></div><div>...That says it all! The point of bringing up 2015 is that it's been a minute since this guy was drafted. If he were progressing as a high level prospect, he'd have played in the NHL by now on a team like Colorado who has been in rebuild for a while...he has not. Having two NHL caliber Dmen on the right side would be the perfect opportunity to work in a rookie on the third pair to protect his minutes. The fact that this hasn't been done means he's below the caliber of player(s) its going to take to get EK...period!</div></div>

If you actually knew the reason he hasnt played its because he is not the type of dman to have on your 3rd pair, and especially not for the Avs. Avs have enough offensive minded dmen in their lineup and needed some grit and straight shutdown dmen. Is meloche ready for top 4? Not at all. But he 100% could of played 3rd pair sheltered minutes. The fact is he was not the type of player the avs needed at any point once they brought in girard, and nemeth started putting up points and we had Barrie tearing it up for the offensive side of our defense, and EJ got injured as our best defending defenseman.. we needed a shutdown guy. Hense why duncan siemens and mark Alt were used over meloche. IM NOT AT ALL SAYING MELOCHE IS A GREAT PROSPECT OR THAT THIS TRADE MAKES ANY SENSE FOR OTTAWA . Lets make that clear. All im saying is Meloche might have more to offer than you think.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2018 at 6:50 p.m.
Thread: Sending the czech for Skinner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>pass. You dont give up Kaut after just drafting him, not going to happen. Kaut, Ghetto, and 2nd and a 3rd is an over payment at this point. Avs are looking for depth and secondary scoring on the wings.

Kaut and Ghetto out for Skinner solves nothing, it actually creates a bigger whole for lines 2 and 3 on the wings</div></div>

I disagree completely.
Skinner is a big upgrade over Andrighetto and Kaut could very well end up a 3rd or 4th liner which is very easy to fill and we have a decent amount of prospects coming through such as Greer and Smirnov and Ty lewis. Not to mention we have 2 first rounders next year including ottawas which is gonna be a top 5 most likely to replace Kaut and probably be better than him. Skinner would be a perfect guy to also help Jost grow into the player he is supposed to be. So overpayment sure but it gives us a star 2nd liner
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 12, 2018 at 4:16 p.m.
Thread: Good fit for EK65
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SuprDave45</b></div><div>Can you explain the logic behind why Colorado has all the leverage in this deal? What is to stop Ottawa to offering EK to the entire rest of the league, because pretty much every team in the league could beat this offer. And why do you keep saying they are desperate for their 1st like that is exclusive to Colorado?...their going to get at least one in just about any trade they make for EK.

Nicolas Meloche was drafted in the 2nd round in 2015... and has yet to crack Colorado's totally stacked lineup...that tells me all I need to know about his progress as a prospect. So a meh prospect, one 1st rounder and some other random picks? Every team in the league would jump in front of you with a better offer.</div></div>

Meloche isnt a great prospect but "not cracked the stacker colorado line up"? Dude Erik Johnson and Tyson Barrie are their #1 and 2 dman on the RH side.. both very good defensemen, a very very small amount of defenseman from 2015 draft till now would replace them.. and Avs are paying other guys to fill the 6/7 dman roles rather than forcing Meloche to play 3rd pair for no apparent reason.. but i do agree the offer is weak from the Avs. I would probably switch the 6th round pick for AJ Greer and throw in another 2nd rounder. but aside from that the reason Avs have a big bargaining chip with Ottawas 1st is because if ottawa trades Karlsson they are pretty much guarenteed to be a top 5 pick in the draft.. thats worth a lot especially with jack hughes a possibility. Sure they can get other 1st rounders but will it be as high of a pick as ottawas? Idk
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 7, 2018 at 9:20 p.m.
Thread: Leafs dont care about Karlsson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SJH</b></div><div>If you are talking about the 6/7 defensemen they dressed for the most part last year (Rielly, Zaitsev, Gardiner, Hainsey, Dermott, Carick, Polak) I'd agree with you. But that is not what I said. I said they have the defensemen they need in their pipeline already. Out of those 7, I'd expect only 3 to have their name on the Cup. Rielly, Zaitsev, and Dermott.

Before you go off on Zaitsev, keep the following in mind. He played well in his first year and not so well in his second so it's not like he has an established track record in the NHL one way or the other. However, his second year was the first year of a deal that more than quadrupled his salary (you try having that happen to you and even at a subconscious level have it not effect how hard you push yourself initially), he was skating on one leg for about half the year (he missed 22 games, but dude he broke his ankle, they never come back 100% overnight?) and if I'm not mistaken, to top it off, his wife had their first child which has to do wonders for sleep deprivation. I expect his third and following years to be much more in line with his rookie year than his sophomore campaign.

As for the other three slots, I'd expect to see Igor Ozhiganov, Calle Rosen, Andreas Borgman, Timothy Liljegrin, Andrew Nielsen, Jesper Lindgren, Rasmus Sandin, J.D. Greenway, and Sean Durzi, compete for those in roughly that chronological order. In the end none of those would surprise me but my feeling is the two of the other three blueliners will end up being Sandin and Liljegrin with the inside track on the third job going to Lindgren or Durzi (they are both right shots). All that forward depth you've seen cresting the horizon for the past three years from the Marlies (so Brown, Kapanen, Nylander, Johnsson, soon to be joined by Grunnstrom, Engvall, Brooks, Bracco), is about to be followed by a wave of defensemen. There is a reason why the just won the Calder Cup and The Hockey News rated them the top pipeline in the NHL this year.</div></div>

Yeah i thought you meant the 6/7 defenders they currently have. I dont see too much promise in any of their defenders to be great except Liljegren and Sandin. Maybe borgman. The rest are most likely 7th dmen. Could be wrong time will tell but thats where I see them.
I Also agree zaitsev is good and will grow in the Leafs well hopefully. I dont see him as a pure #2 though. Maybe if Rielly gets better he can help balance that out to be a real dangerous top pair but for now thats a pretty mediocre top pair when you are running for a Cup. And with Gardiner and Dermott to fill the 2nd pair with nobody to step in if any of them get hurt their depth for a Cup run is very slim. I guess looking more so at the depth they would probably rather give Liljegren or Sandin along with Kadri. rather than trade Dermott.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 7, 2018 at 1:21 p.m.
Thread: Leafs dont care about Karlsson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drunkley</b></div><div>Why would we give up a young 30 goal scorer at 4.5 per?
Dumba is good offensively, but just an absolute disaster is his own end. I’d take Dermott straight up at the sane price over him. Give up a young D man for a young D man but lose a young superstar with a great contract? Awful
Trade a winger for a D man. Huck in some picks or prospects, got tons of those and get someone who can play defence. Like Trouba or Pesce.
I doubt the Jets would part ways with him, but it’s kinda been a mess between him and the team the past few years.</div></div>

Ok ok Kadri is 100% not a superstar... lets get that out of the way. Hes a solid 2nd C. Next you clearly dont know how good dumba really is look at his possesion numbers then tell me he isnt good defensively. Next check his career plus minus, Dumba is a very very good defender and would be your 2nd best dman for sure next to Rielly.
Dermott is good but hes a 2nd pair guy at best. Never gonna be a proper #2 dman. Dumba can actually be that #2 guy you need and let Zaitsev play 2nd pair where he belongs hense you wont need dermott anymore and your defense gets a lot stronger. Its a price to pay for Dumba but I think its truly worth it based on the offensive depth you have and the need for defense. Look at any Tsn report look at at espn or nbc or whatever they all agree they need an upgrade on defense
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 7, 2018 at 1:16 p.m.
Thread: Leafs dont care about Karlsson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Thomas29</b></div><div>There are just a couple things I find out of the ordinary. Why would Toronto make this trade when they could easily just offer sheet Dumba and give up a 1st and a 3rd if Minnesota doesn’t match? I feel that is a way better avenue to go and it’s more fair for both sides.
Kadri may not like that he is on the third line from a fans perspective but personally I feel he is ecstatic. Kadri has put up two 30 goal seasons playing top 6 minutes. Imagine what he can do on the third line with “lesser” valued players to go up against.
Toronto has him on a super wicked deal for 3 or 4 more years. There’s no way he is given up for an RFA that Toronto can offer sheet.
Dermott is the future and isn’t a thrown in. If anything it would be Gardiner going (one year left and going back home)
The idea of picking up Dumba though is fantastic. I like it a lot and would be 110% on board going after him.</div></div>

Except nobody offer sheets so that will never happen.. so thats why i made this trade. Obviously an offer sheet would be better. If people offer sheeted the NHL would very different and Nylander would go to a different team
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 7, 2018 at 1:12 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2018 at 4:20 p.m.
Thread: VAN Canucks 18-19
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Canucks1</b></div><div>Great deals. Too much for Edler though, I’d be happy with Anderson+Murray and no first</div></div>

I agree but the problem is Murray is almost just as good as edler and murray is what 23? And edlers contract is awful, columbus could re sign Murray for maybe 2.5 mil a season and be happy with him on the 3rd pair. Josh Anderson is coveted heavily by Columbus as well. So that deal probably never happens. And the 1st? Hell no. Im not a columbus fan but i have to think the only scenario that trade works is Edler for Columbus' 1st rounder and rights to Murray (sign Murray 3 years 3 mil)
Rest of the trades seem good to me except are you really gonna put Juolevi in the lineup and trust him with top min? Could easily end up overwhelmed and over used to injury. You would need Murray to step into that top role for a year and let Juolevi grow on the 2nd or pair.
Good ideas! Just need a bit of tweaking i think.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 3, 2018 at 3:13 p.m.
Thread: 2019 v1
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LoganOllivier</b></div><div>Hall for Larson. Need I say more? I think Chairelli schooled everyone on how trading an elite young offensive player for a middle of the ground defencemen is a recipe for disaster. Yes Nylander isn't Hall, but Barrie isn't of higher value than Larson. Would TO trade Nylander for Larson? I doubt it, the benefits of having Nylander in the lineup compared to Barrie are likely a negative trade off. Nylander will score 80+ a year more than once in his career. Barrie's best years have likely already happened. Never trade a 22 year old elite offensive guy for something they can arguably get equal value as from their farm team.

Dubas would hang up the phone as soon as you say Barrie for Nylander. Then you said we'll throw in a second, I'd hang up again. Only thing that would make me move Nylander is if you grossly overpay for him. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to trade him.</div></div>


So lets look at the numbers..
Barrie is a much different type of defenseman than Adam Larsson. That trade is not even comparable. Show me the max pts Larsson has ever put up and it wont come close to Barries average pts output. Barrie is a pt scoring dman and a proven one. If your big argument is barrie and Larsson are the same "midgrade dman" you are sorely wrong on that one. The Hall for Larsson trade was a joke and everyone clearly knew how that was going to end.
Im not saying this above trade is the perfect trade but you have to look at the fact that you just got John Tavares..
This trade actually makes a lot of sense now more than ever for both teams. Toronto needs Barrie a lot more than they need Nylander, and with Avalanche having Timmins and Makar and Girard they can afford to lose Barrie.
Toronto with Barrie makes their defense actually worth noting when an opposing team looks at their lineup. Nylander is great but you wont miss him now that you have Tavares. AND Barrie will put up similar numbers to what Nylander has been putting up. Just look at the stats and you will see Barrie is actually a very very good defenseman who is knocked because he isnt a stud defensively. But you can also chalk half that up to the fact colorados defense has been shambles since hes been an Av. Barrie on a high offense output team could easily break his previous career highs.
1 for 1 makes complete sense to me for both teams especially with toronto in Win now Mode.
Or another option would be to add a fwd like Shane Bowers from Avs and a d prospect from toronto to fill a future position hole from this trade if there is doubt.