Franzen on LTIR does not hurt wings, so why even make the trade. They can still sign Larkin and keep Rasmussen and put Franzen on LTIR.

I think it depends on how much you think Larkin is going to sign for. Franzen will only get a percentage of his salary knocked off against the cap. Plus, there are timing aspects if DET wants to make additional moves.

it does hurt them because you have to be under the cap before the season starts and cant place franzen on LTIR until the season starts.

Franzens entire salary comes off. It has for the past 3 years.

First and foremost, cbach, this post is amazing! I love the explanation on the trades. I love the value going back. Nothing is even questionable enough, like some people asking why do the cap dumb. This is truly, very well done man. There is nothing I would change, and best of all, this looks like a Leafs style rebuild. Which clearly works by the way, and you have Lou running it. If I was NYI I would literally look at this thread.

Holland would never be stupid enough to make this trade. You "dump" Nyquist or AA salary if we have to for less than face value rather than trading away one of his top prospects to free up a contract going on LTIR anyway. Also, Callahan has to waive to get moved and I doubt he wants to come to NYI if they are clearly trying to tank. Otherwise it's well thought out, I just have issue with the TBL and DET trades

ya Retweet this guy did good. Only thing is that the comp between Hossa and Callahan is slightly off because hossa will never play again while callahan is still a roster player. Not sure if that actually makes it better or worse but i feel if u can afford to take callahan salary he really isnt that bad of depth player.

I guess the issue with Callahan is that he cannot stay healthy. I pretty sure he has only played around 80 games in two season and only got just over 20 points. He may help your dressing room but he is the most expensive fourth liner that cannot play against higher quality players without getting injured. Its a shame because he really was great in NY.

Callahan has waived NTC / NMC before, was my thinking.

It comes off if you LTIR once the season starts and if you are over the cap. DET needs to be under the cap when season starts and still needs to sign Larkin, who I don't think comes cheap. Some of the other suggestions (Nyquist for pennies on the dollar) might make some sense as well, but I don't think Holland is in full rebuild mode - hence the Bernier signing.

Dude you can be 10% over the cap during thee summer, Detroit has always gotten Franzens full LTIR off and if Z is done Detroit can put Franzen on LTIR after training camp. That right there will clear any overage.

Wow, not sure where this hostility is coming from, but ok.

Current situation: not including Larkin (since he doesn’t have a contract), DET currently has 13 F, 6 D, and 2 G signed to contracts right now. That’s 21 rostered contracts (which differs from CapFriendly’s number, oddly) with projected cap space of $2,827,956.

Let’s assume DET signs Larkin to a 6 yr $6M AAV deal. Those numbers become 22 contracts and ($3,172,044) over the cap.

Detroit still needs to add a 23rd contract to fill out the roster. Let’s bring up whomever this Wade Megan guy is, at a cost of $650,000 AAV. Those numbers become 23 contracts (hooray! A full team!) and ($3,822,044) over the cap.

Detroit then finds itself close to the Chris Pronger situation outlined in this article here: http://thehockeyguys.net/timing-is-everything-maximizing-ltir-benefits/. Detroit, it seems, has one of two options:
1. Place Franzen on LTIR prior to opening day, in which case only $3,822,044 gets added to the cap upper limit. At this point, DET is EXACTLY at the cap number.
2. Do something like put Darren Helm and his $3.850M cap hit on waivers in order to become cap compliant, THEN put Franzen on LTIR after opening day for the full hit of $3,954,545 and bring Helm back. DET will be ($79.5 - $3,954,545 + $3,850,000) = $79,395,455 (or $105K under the cap).
For the sake of argument, these two options are largely a wash. However, no matter which option is chosen, any future upgrades, callups, injury replacements, etc. would be SERIOUSLY hampered against the cap number.
• If DET wanted to send down Wade Megan and call up Filip Zadina, there would need to be a corresponding roster move due to the differences in salaries ($650K - $925K).
• If someone gets hurt, they would immediately need to be put on LTIR in order to have the roster space filled. I remember LAK being in a similar situation a few years back.

I’d be interested to hear how your knowledge of LTIR and salary cap means that I “don’t know your situation” and “don’t know what I’m talking about here”. But unless you provide some evidence to the contrary, I don’t think LTIR works the way you think it does.

I admit – Holland probably would find other ways around including selling Nyquist or Howard for pennies on the dollar just to get rid of them. As I showed from recent history, a comparable strict cap dump cost the Blackhawks Teravainen.

This process would work the same even if Zetterberg is placed on LTIR as well.