Severson is definitely not an answer.. he is offensive Dman who was scratched few times last season. He is not and answer and you marginally overpaid for guy like Severson.. you could get legit top-15 defender for that package..

you actually did pretty good in value but i doubt they move severson because there very fond of him. i think you guys should try the same sort of deal with less value at poach one of the RHD from carolina. You guys could probably turn TVR into a good top 4 Dman.

Leafs need a RHD? Says who? The fans? The media?

We need a shut down line and Reilly cant do it all himself.

I thought his numbers looked fantastic last year.

There's Hainsey to help, Gardiner and Dermott are both good defensively, Borgman is decent. Ozhiganov is a bit of an unknown but Carrick is a Gronk! The Leafs D core is extremely underrated. I think they are fine. Especially with the offence and goaltending they have.

What’s wrong with Dermott and Ozhiganov?

Nothing at all, I am just referring to shutting down big name talent. I just don't think they are there yet. That being said I don't know what we are getting with Oz.

I agree, I just think Severson is RHD, big and "affordable" to require. Better than over paying for Parayko. You know?

Nothing at all or they can’t get the job done or I don’t know? Can’t be all 3.

I think it’s funny that most leafs fans don’t know what we are going to have for defence this year but are willing to sell our future to patch it.

The great Stud Defence in the league all started out as prospects. If I were asked what we have on Our blue line I would probably say I’m not certain but it looks promising and the future looks very strong.

I firmly believe Toronto should hang tight, but a low risk move of getting Severson and moving extra pieces we don't need, why not?

Leafs aren't getting Parayko. I don't even think they need a move for a RHD. They have Zaitsev, they have Carrick, they have Lilegren for the future, they have Dermott and Rielly that can play the right side, Hainsey on short term that doesn't even include 2nd tier prospects like Ozhiganov, Rasenen and Lindgren. Leafs are stacked with young talent and I'd hate to see them pay extra for something they already have.

Oh if it's like a...

Severson (or other low risk D)
For say
Leivo
Carrick
Pickard/CMac
Mid to low draft pick

Then sure why not? I just don't see it happening.

I dont see any draft picks, first rounders included as an over pay or something we need to protect. Our later round drafting is proving just as impressive as our first round.

True but doesn't mean we should give them up for nothing. But sure throw in the 1st... why not?

I dont see Severson as nothing. Far from it.

I didn't mean literally nothing. I just meant not really what Leafs need.

Two first round picks are pieces we don’t need?
It’s thinking like this that have prevented the leafs from winning a cup in my life time.

I’m glad to see the leafs are in a better position today. Not just on the ice but coaching staff and management. We are finally drafting and developing and even ufa move to get Tavares was well thought out and planned. You can’t buy a team especially since the salary cap was introduced. You can build one though. Can’t do that without your draft picks.

Four stars for a d trade that DOESN'T involve Karlsson or Parayko or Faulk. Can we take a four-week hiatus from those? Otherwise, I got nuttin' in particular.

We are moving two fringe first rounders for two second rounders, I hardly see that as a big deal. Plus if you follow the system that dubas does you probably have a higher probability of drafting an nhl calibre player with two seconds vs a fringe first.

Your last clause is unfair without examples of who you think would be better. In my mind, Johns and Petrovic fall into that category but maybe I'm ignorant (in the sense of lacking sufficient knowledge), so I'm willing to be educated and I hold your opinion in high regard.

2 fringe first round picks and 2 fringe 2nd round picks are better than 4 late late 2nd round picks. Would I take 4 2nd round picks for our 2 first rounders... yes that’s how the math your talking about works. No gm in the world would say better players come from the second round.

Man, you are ridiculous. First of all you want to nit pick, lets do it.

"no GM in the world would do that"

Did you see what Vegas moved for a mediocre dead line rental. Have you seen the recent moves by Carolina, Montreal and Edmonton. To say Toronto cant afford to move two fringe firsts (one of the ones coming back was a conditional of becoming a first again, if you can read) for a great, affordable RHD, then why are you talking to me. You are arguing a point into the ground that is so besides the point its crazy. Maybe just go away? I've humored this stupidity long enough.