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Forum: Armchair-GM23 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 12:25 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>Anyway, we can go into details if you like:

Here's Deangelo's ranks among dmen over the past 2 seasons:

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How much do any of these guys cost in a trade? Now realize his age and that he's cost controlled. What are the comparables for trades here? Seth Jones? Dougie Hamilton?

For Georgie: The 2 major metrics for evaluating goaltenders properly are dFSV% and GSAx. Over the last 3 seasons, among all goaltenders Georgiev ranks in the top 15 in both.

That's a good foundation because it gives us something to measure against with a nice large sample size. Over the last 10 years there have been 3 goalies to put up those numbers (well 4 if we count Martin Jones but he was traded after 2 NHL seasons) and have been traded. They are:

Philip Grubauer: Traded at age 26 with Brooks Orpik (equivalent of a 1st or 2nd rounder depending on your valuation - reference: Marleau cost a 1st and the cap hit difference was less than a mil) for a 2nd.
Cory Schneider: Traded at age 27 for 12th Overall Pick.
Frederick Anderson: Traded at age 26 for a 1st and 2nd Round pick.
Martin Jones: Traded at age 25 for a 1st round pick and Sean Kuraly.

Now Georgiev is younger (23) meaning his rights with the team are held for longer. That would inherently make him more valuable. The lowest any comparable players were dealt for is ~2 2nd rounders (and even that might be a low estimate). Really Georgiev's value is around a 1st heh.

Again, just using the stats here and the comparables, these aren't opinions.

As far as Kreider goes, he's getting a little less than Hall:

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TDA: his trade value is not big. He has off-ice "issues" if you can call it that way.. he wouldve gotten a much bigger deal if he was valued as strongly as his analytics might suggest. Jones? Hamilton? No.. Im not saying he is bad (he is very good and I think he can fetch a 2nd and prospect), but you suggested Nylander who is one of the best young players out there. He is much more valuable. Just no. Also.. Nylander would be pricey for Rangers. Like VERY pricey.. they are not trading him, simply put.

Georgiev: he is great (you might overvaluate him a little), but I think he can fetch a Johnsson-like player and good pick with Fast included. Georgievs issue is that they clearly are trading him at some point. Its matter of getting right offer in terms of what team like Rangers might like in a player (Johnsson keeps getting in my mind with perfect fit on Rangers) for future (getting term with player).

Kreider: Kreider is great piece. thats only one of those values you presented I really like (1st and SDA, but slight retention is needed) :)

I like that you provided important stats as not many people do in these conversations.. I do really like that!
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 12:01 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:45 am