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Getting Bob

Created by: Canadianape
Team: 2018-19 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 17, 2018
Published: Aug. 17, 2018
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what would it take to pry bobrovsky out of CBJ

too much? not enough? let me know

flames only real missing piece is a young starting goalie. Smith might be good for one more season but after that I don't know.

if the 2020 2nd needs to be upgraded to a first I could definetly see that
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5$5,100,000
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CGY
  1. Bobrovsky, Sergei
  2. Duclair, Anthony
  3. 2020 5th round pick (CBJ)
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Extension pre negotiated. somewhere in the 7-8 Mil range for 5-6 years
CBJ
  1. Andersson, Rasmus
  2. Frolík, Michael
  3. Rittich, David
  4. Robinson, Buddy
  5. 2019 3rd round pick (CGY)
  6. 2020 2nd round pick (CGY)
  7. 2020 3rd round pick (CGY)
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21$79,500,000$75,886,710$0$1,700,000$3,613,290
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LW
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$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 5
$4,850,000$4,850,000
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
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UFA - 5
$1,950,000$1,950,000
C
UFA - 1
$1,675,000$1,675,000
C, LW
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, C
UFA - 1
$3,125,000$3,125,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
$650,000$650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$850,000$850,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,375,000$3,375,000
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Aug. 17, 2018 at 3:54 p.m.
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I think Bob might cost us a little more, say Bennett and/or Parsons.

But I would be very happy to get a netminder of his caliber even if we had to include those players.
Aug. 17, 2018 at 3:55 p.m.
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Honestly, I keep flip flopping on what I think CBJ should do with Bob.
My heart says that he wants to stay in Columbus and Bob would sign a team friendly contact, similar to Wennberg, Atkinson, Jones, Jenner, etc.
Bob will be 30 soon, so not getting any younger. He is in his prime, and playing very well.

My personal opinion is...with the Panarin situation, CBJ is in flux and would definitely want a bona fide scorer to replace him.
If CBJ is out of the playoff hunt, and if they really think they can bring Kivlikens over next year from Europe to replace Bob (and he is the heir apparent to Bob), then they very well might cut Bob loose.
Since they lose leverage in the Panarin situation (since he could walk for nothing next summer), they could use Bob to bring in a top game breaking scorer.
Since they have drafted very well since Jarmo & John Davidsson arrived, they probably would place more emphasis on draft pick over a young prospect.
So, to summarize, a top scorer (or center) and draft picks are what I think would be the ask from Columbus.
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Aug. 17, 2018 at 4:01 p.m.
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I think Bob might cost us a little more, say Bennett and/or Parsons.

But I would be very happy to get a netminder of his caliber even if we had to include those players.


I am not too familiar with many of Calgary players. Bennett was a highly touted draft pick, and I see he is on a 1 year RFA deal after his ELC. He averages about 15 G / 15 A per year and you have him on 3rd line LW above. I've seen Gaudreau in many trade deals going back a year or so. Does he want out of Calgary? One of the rumors I heard was he would welcome going back home (Philadelphia was it?).
Aug. 17, 2018 at 4:10 p.m.
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Really like the idea of Calgary getting bob, I think he makes them a contender for top 3 in the Pacific. Fan of their top 6 and solid D core.

Agree with bluejackets2000 though, rasmus andersen is a good prospect but CBJ may be asking for more up, maybe a solid top 6 winger. A 1st in 2019 is probably a must considering it should be another strong draft and and im not sure how good CBJs system is. Panarin does play a huge factor in what they would want.
Big fan of the idea though for the flames!
Aug. 17, 2018 at 4:21 p.m.
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Quoting: GMK10
Really like the idea of Calgary getting bob, I think he makes them a contender for top 3 in the Pacific. Fan of their top 6 and solid D core.

Agree with bluejackets2000 though, rasmus andersen is a good prospect but CBJ may be asking for more up, maybe a solid top 6 winger. A 1st in 2019 is probably a must considering it should be another strong draft and and im not sure how good CBJs system is. Panarin does play a huge factor in what they would want.
Big fan of the idea though for the flames!


I would tend to agree with you however Calgary or whoever might try to trade for him can get him for free next offseason (unless he signs in CBJ). So his value in a trade is hurt fairly significantly by that fact. I don't think any team in the league would give up a top winger and a first for him. that's why I kind of made this convoluted trade where they get a bunch of picks and some young prospects. helps CBJ's future without hurting Calgary's current roster.

I could see Bennett going aswell but that would come at the espense of some of the picks

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Bobrovsky, Duclair and a 5th

for

Frolik, Anderson, Rittich, Bennett and a 2nd
Aug. 17, 2018 at 4:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Canadianape
I would tend to agree with you however Calgary or whoever might try to trade for him can get him for free next offseason (unless he signs in CBJ). So his value in a trade is hurt fairly significantly by that fact. I don't think any team in the league would give up a top winger and a first for him. that's why I kind of made this convoluted trade where they get a bunch of picks and some young prospects. helps CBJ's future without hurting Calgary's current roster.

I could see Bennett going aswell but that would come at the espense of some of the picks

perhaps

Bobrovsky, Duclair and a 5th

for

Frolik, Anderson, Rittich, Bennett and a 2nd


Yes, I agree. You noted a pre-negotiated extension in the aditional details so that is what I was basing the trade off of
Aug. 17, 2018 at 4:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
I am not too familiar with many of Calgary players. Bennett was a highly touted draft pick, and I see he is on a 1 year RFA deal after his ELC. He averages about 15 G / 15 A per year and you have him on 3rd line LW above. I've seen Gaudreau in many trade deals going back a year or so. Does he want out of Calgary? One of the rumors I heard was he would welcome going back home (Philadelphia was it?).


Gaudreau was in allot of trades in 2016-2017 season because he was holding out on signing a contract in the offseason when he didn't have arbitration. he signed like 2 days before the season began. now that he is on this contract the flames are definetly not going to trade him. he has made it publicly known that he might want to play for Philly at some point in his career but as long as he wants to be in Calgary the flames are going to keep him. the only possibility of the flames trading gaudreau is if he makes it abundantly clear he will not sign with Calgary at the end of his current contract
Aug. 17, 2018 at 4:34 p.m.
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Yes, I agree. You noted a pre-negotiated extension in the aditional details so that is what I was basing the trade off of


ya I think any team that trades for him will want a pre negotiated extension. even with the extension bobs trade value is significantly lowered by the fact that hes a free agent
Aug. 17, 2018 at 5:10 p.m.
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ya I think any team that trades for him will want a pre negotiated extension. even with the extension bobs trade value is significantly lowered by the fact that hes a free agent


If he got an extention with that trade he wouldnt reach free agency so it wouldnt affect his value
Aug. 17, 2018 at 5:13 p.m.
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No way Bob is signing for $7 or $8 million per, Try more like 7 x 9 or 7 x 10 for Bob pretty easily.
Aug. 17, 2018 at 5:30 p.m.
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Edited Aug. 17, 2018 at 5:40 p.m.
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No way Bob is signing for $7 or $8 million per, Try more like 7 x 9 or 7 x 10 for Bob pretty easily.


ya sorry buddy bobrovsky is good but hes not a carey price or henrik lundqvist. both of which teams suck because they overpay their goaltending. goalies simply cant go for that much because they cripple the team. A really good goalie helps win games but not much more than an average goalie. if Bob wants that much money the Flames pass.

Edit: look at Hellebuycks contract. hes a better goalie than Bob and he signed for 6.1 Mil. basically llok at any other top end goalie they don't make that much money
Aug. 17, 2018 at 5:37 p.m.
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If he got an extention with that trade he wouldnt reach free agency so it wouldnt affect his value


its not a sign and trade its a trade and then sign. if CBJ has a problem with Calgary talking to Bob about an extension then this trade never even begins to happen. The whole point im making is if Bob makes it known to the team that he wont sign in CBJ then CBJ has no leverage against any team in a potential trade. that is what hurts Bobs return for CBJ
Aug. 17, 2018 at 11:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Bluejackets2000
I am not too familiar with many of Calgary players. Bennett was a highly touted draft pick, and I see he is on a 1 year RFA deal after his ELC. He averages about 15 G / 15 A per year and you have him on 3rd line LW above. I've seen Gaudreau in many trade deals going back a year or so. Does he want out of Calgary? One of the rumors I heard was he would welcome going back home (Philadelphia was it?).


Bennett is a bit of a mystery to us. There's been flashes of what made us take him where we did but haven't seen the progress we're hoping for; pretty sure he was rushed in and was asked to fill a much bigger role than was realistic (when it didn't work out, it got into his head/I also think he was always a winger). With that said I'm an advocate to keep him around because with a new coaching staff on board for us there's no telling what could happen. I have this hunch that the minute we trade him is going to be when he finally finds what he needs to be the player the Flames were drafting a few years ago.

Others have covered the Gaudreau situation.
Aug. 18, 2018 at 12:36 a.m.
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Bennett is a bit of a mystery to us. There's been flashes of what made us take him where we did but haven't seen the progress we're hoping for; pretty sure he was rushed in and was asked to fill a much bigger role than was realistic (when it didn't work out, it got into his head/I also think he was always a winger). With that said I'm an advocate to keep him around because with a new coaching staff on board for us there's no telling what could happen. I have this hunch that the minute we trade him is going to be when he finally finds what he needs to be the player the Flames were drafting a few years ago.

Others have covered the Gaudreau situation.


Point duly noted. Good luck with Bennett. It is painful to point out, but just look what happened to the Jackets in paying Vegas a 1st round pick to take William Karlsson off of our hands. He never got the chance to play top 1C or 2C with us, but it just makes me sick to see a player “figure it out” after his current team cuts him loose.
Aug. 20, 2018 at 10:15 a.m.
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Point duly noted. Good luck with Bennett. It is painful to point out, but just look what happened to the Jackets in paying Vegas a 1st round pick to take William Karlsson off of our hands. He never got the chance to play top 1C or 2C with us, but it just makes me sick to see a player “figure it out” after his current team cuts him loose.


This year is gonna determine just how bad CBJ got beat on William Karlsson. Karlsson still has a lot to prove for me. he was fairly sheltered on an expansion team that had 3.5 lines deep so he was able to get time against other teams 2nd and third lines playing along side some other pretty strong players. Vegas has definetly lost some of their depth this off season so if William Karlsson can play the same way and achieve the same points this season then I will definetly call him one of the best players in the league. However he could just as easily revert back to the 30-45 point range. Remains to be seen
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