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Created by: Eli
Team: 2018-19 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 17, 2018
Published: Dec. 17, 2018
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This is a win-win trade of young, talented players who have been pushed down their teams' depth charts, but are capable of big things. If it makes both teams better, they should both consider it.
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25$79,500,000$74,440,834$0$982,500$5,059,166
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LW
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
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$734,167$734,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
LW, RW
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
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RW
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LW, C
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$650,000$650,000
C
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
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UFA - 4
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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$675,000$675,000
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UFA - 1
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LD/RD
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RD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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Dec. 17, 2018 at 10:20 a.m.
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Hard no from Pittsburgh. Burakovsky adds nothing to the Pittsburgh lineup.

I personally want him away from teams that I follow, not moved from one to the other. huff
Dec. 17, 2018 at 10:22 a.m.
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Maatta has way more value .... i kno everyone on here only see's his speed but just look at his analytics and ice time , he is a really good top 2-3 D-man
Dec. 17, 2018 at 10:24 a.m.
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why does everyone from PIT seem to want to trade Maatta? Seems like a decent Top 4 D. I am curious however what is value would be.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 10:37 a.m.
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Quoting: gabriiel40
why does everyone from PIT seem to want to trade Maatta? Seems like a decent Top 4 D. I am curious however what is value would be.


He is not fast. The Pittsburgh homers want fast because a writer told them that fast was good, Maatta is not fast, so Maatta is not good.
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Dec. 17, 2018 at 11:09 a.m.
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halo
Dec. 17, 2018 at 11:45 a.m.
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He and Hjornqvist both speak Swedish. Could work well together. He got 17 goals the year he played with rookie Kuznetsov. I think Kuznetsov has improved since then, but there are some Penguins fans who would argue that Crosby is still better? So that makes Burakovsky an easy 25 to 30 goal wing in that spot. Maybe just 22 with Malkin or 15 in third line minutes with Brassard. On the other hand, Burakovsky had six points in the last six games of the Caps' Cup run, so he and Brassard could do some serious damage together.

With Orpik out, Maata could help the Caps' PK and eat a couple minutes. That's it. I think PIttsburgh wins on value, but in terms of team fit, it's win-win.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 12:28 p.m.
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... I think Kuznetsov has improved since then, but there are some Penguins fans who would argue that Crosby is still better?

As does 99.9% of the hockey world.


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I think PIttsburgh wins on value, but in terms of team fit, it's win-win.

There is no win in Maatta/Burakovsky for Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh counters with Burakovsky @50% for Ruhwedel.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 12:34 p.m.
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Pittsburgh counters with Burakovsky @50% for Ruhwedel.


Add a 1st and I don't see why not.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 12:54 p.m.
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Add a 1st and I don't see why not.


Oh, if the Caps added a 1st then the Pens would certainly be interested.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 1:50 p.m.
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Oh, if the Caps added a 1st then the Pens would certainly be interested.


Lulz.

Yeah, I'll bet they would.

The Penguins' offense has slipped to 7th, and their power play to 12th

They have exactly five forwards with more goals than Burakovsky's five right now,

Burakovsky's 336 minute this year would be 9th among Penguins forwards

Burakovsky's 45% offensive zone starts ties with Brassard for 9th among Penguins forwards this year.

Burakovsky is scoring like a top six goal scorer on the Penguins this year, but he's getting deployed like a checker. He'd be a huge pickup for them. But keep telling me how sure you are about nothing.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 2:00 p.m.
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The primary assists on Burakovsky's goals this year came from Nic Dowd, Lars Eller, Jacub Vrana (on a rare PP appearance), Michal Kempny, and Matt Niskanen.

If the Caps or Penguins put him with a top six center, in top six minutes, with more offensive zone starts than defensive, he wouldn't just be scoring like a 2nd liner. The Caps, though, don't need to.

I know there's a rivalry, and neither team wants to appear to help the other, but I think this helps both.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 2:16 p.m.
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So far he'd be 9th among Penguins forwards in PPTOI, but tied for 6th in PPP, at one. The Pens have three guys taking up space on their power plays who took longer to get one point on Pittsburgh's power plays than Burakovsky did on the Caps' second power play, which is usually centered by Lars Eller. Good luck with that.

I think Maata's doing fine, and I don't see why the Penguins would move him, but Burakovsky's a year younger, a million cheaper for the same playoff points per game at a position where the Penguins, this year, look a bit thinner. He plays either wing. He can carry the puck. He can score goals. Usually Pittsburgh likes wings who can do that.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 2:21 p.m.
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Lulz.

Yeah, I'll bet they would.


"The Penguins' offense has slipped to 7th, and their power play to 12th" - And trading Maatta for a guy that barely scores helps how?

"They have exactly five forwards with more goals than Burakovsky's five right now" - And adding a guy that only has 5 goals helps how?

"Burakovsky's 336 minute this year would be 9th among Penguins forwards" - Ooookay. He would be 14th in TOI/gm... behind 42 year old Matt Cullen.

"Burakovsky's 45% offensive zone starts ties with Brassard for 9th among Penguins forwards this year." - You realize that your own arguments are putting him 4th line? $3M for a non-physical, non-defensive, 4th liner.

"Burakovsky is scoring like a top six goal scorer on the Penguins this year" - Nothing about Burakovsky is top-6

"He'd be a huge pickup for them." - His paycheck would be a huge pickup, and completely wasted cap space, for them.

Burakovsky doesn't really add to the Pens, especially at $3M. Frankly, he doesn't really add to the Caps, especially at $3M. You could call up a $700K guy from the AHL and be better off than giving $3M space to Burakovsky.

I hear the KHL calling for him next year.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 2:29 p.m.
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"The Penguins' offense has slipped to 7th, and their power play to 12th" - And trading Maatta for a guy that barely scores helps how?

"They have exactly five forwards with more goals than Burakovsky's five right now" - And adding a guy that only has 5 goals helps how?

"Burakovsky's 336 minute this year would be 9th among Penguins forwards" - Ooookay. He would be 14th in TOI/gm... behind 42 year old Matt Cullen.

"Burakovsky's 45% offensive zone starts ties with Brassard for 9th among Penguins forwards this year." - You realize that your own arguments are putting him 4th line? $3M for a non-physical, non-defensive, 4th liner.

"Burakovsky is scoring like a top six goal scorer on the Penguins this year" - Nothing about Burakovsky is top-6

"He'd be a huge pickup for them." - His paycheck would be a huge pickup, and completely wasted cap space, for them.

Burakovsky doesn't really add to the Pens, especially at $3M. Frankly, he doesn't really add to the Caps, especially at $3M. You could call up a $700K guy from the AHL and be better off than giving $3M space to Burakovsky.

I hear the KHL calling for him next year.


Oh. You thought starting shifts in the defensive zone was easier. No. See... in ice hockey.... when guys like Kessell and Crosby start 64% and 60% of their shifts ahead of the red line, that's so they can take a shot right off the faceoff.

I'm saying Burakovsky has had 3rd/4th line opportunities to score, but he's got a 2nd line goal total for the year. If the Penguins have a 700k minor leaguer with 128 NHL points, by all means, they should probably call them up soon.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 3:08 p.m.
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Oh. You thought starting shifts in the defensive zone was easier. No. See... in ice hockey.... when guys like Kessell and Crosby start 64% and 60% of their shifts ahead of the red line, that's so they can take a shot right off the faceoff.

I'm saying Burakovsky has had 3rd/4th line opportunities to score, but he's got a 2nd line goal total for the year. If the Penguins have a 700k minor leaguer with 128 NHL points, by all means, they should probably call them up soon.


I never mentioned anything about offensive/defensive zone starts. At all. So I don't know what conversation you are replying to but it wasn't with me. I also never commented on shot production, at all. So again, i don't know why you are commenting on it like that. You can straw man and target move until the cows come home, it's still not going to make your argument any better.

5 goals is not support for a "second line goal totals" position.

"If the Penguins have a 700k minor leaguer with 128 NHL points, by all means, they should probably call them up soon" - Jimmy Hayes has 109 NHL points, and only $650K, so...
But I didn't say that the $700K would be better than Burakovsky, nor did I say he would replace Burakovsky. I said that having the $700K guy on the big club would be better than having Burakovsky's $3M. The $700K guy, plus $2.3M cap space > Burakovsky.
Dec. 17, 2018 at 3:21 p.m.
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$700K guy, plus $2.3M cap space > Burakovsky.


Burakovsky+$1M cap space>Maatta.
Dec. 18, 2018 at 8:07 a.m.
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Burakovsky+$1M cap space>Maatta.


Nope. And that isn't me saying that Maatta is good, it is saying that Burakovsky is not worth it. However, I will say that Burakovsky > Puljujarvi + $2M cap space... because Puljujarvi makes Burakovsky look like Bondra. So it could always be worse.
 
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