MTL is NOT trading Suzuki..they NEED C....

First we dont need C, but we need Suzuki as a RW. We are not trading Suzuki bro

" We are not trading Suzuki bro"

um thats what i said....

the : we dont trade Suzuki was for the person who post this, but you are saying MTL need center lol are you kidding, KK Domi Danault Poehling Evans Ikonen Olofsson Fonstad McShane you want me to keep going ? Domi KK Danault are all NHLer and Poehling Evans are NHL ready

if Suzuki emerges as better Center than them he will be Center, if not RW work.

Lmao Suzuki will be miles better than bura ever will be. Dumb trade, why trade away skill when you need it lmao

Domi has almost as many career goals as Burakovsky. Are any of the others surefire top six center prospects that MTL would trade for a top six wing?

We dont care how many goals Domi have, he's a playmaker. MTL are not trading for forward anymore. Only LHD.

Man, you have to understand something...

The moment when Suzuki was traded to MTL, his value just magically got higher.

Yes. I think he instantly gained several years of experience as Montreal's captain.



Oh. That's perfect actually. Do you need prospect LHD or finished LHD? The Caps have about five of each, but no definite top six center prospects in case Backstrom ever retires. I picked Suzuki for term remaining on ELC, but really just wanted to start a conversation.

I think Suzuki is worth close to Djoos, Siegenthaler, or Johansen, but he's worth about half of Alexeyev, Orlov, or Kempny, so you'd have to add, like, a 1st or equivalent to talk those three. You wouldn't want Orpk. Fehervary and a 3rd might be worth Suzuki.

Does any of that make sense from MTL's perspective, or if not, which C prospects would be easier to let go of?

As to Domi being a playmaker, great, sure. He's played his whole career in a top six role and he's two spots above third liner Burakovsy for points in the same draft class: http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20132014&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&draftYear=2013&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points

If you wanted a great line for the next decade, I'm showing it to you. But if you want defensemen, talk defensemen.

Suzuki > Alexeyev

Maybe? I haven't seen either play a shift.

Suzuki is 22nd among forwards in points in the OHL this year: https://www.quanthockey.com/ohl/en/seasons/2018-19-ohl-players-stats.html
He's 14th among forwards in points/game in the league: https://www.quanthockey.com/ohl/en/seasons/2018-19-ohl-forwards-stats.html

Alexeyev is a point a game defenseman: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=196044
That puts him 6th among defensemen in his league in points/game: https://www.quanthockey.com/whl/en/seasons/2018-19-whl-defensemen-stats.html

(Edit: he's 11th in points among defensemen in the league, but has the fewest games played in the top 30)

My thought process in estimating that Alexeyev is twice as good is that I think point/game forwards in juniors, especially the second year after they're drafted, are somewhat uncommon, whereas point a game defensemen in juniors are pretty rare.

It's not a knock on Suzuki. I just think AAyev is very valuable.

So the points judge a players talent. Right

No, but it's usually a pretty big hint. If you want to explain what I'm missing, I'm all ears?

In fact, I'll start: Suzuki is a slick playmaker with eyes in the back of his head and the wheels to pot a fair amount of shorties. He's got a sneaky quick release and he's good at finding open ice, but he doesn't go to the net much, and doesn't take many slapshots, preferring wristers and backhands. Just a quick little guy but very creative. He could put on a couple pounds before he plays in the NHL, but when he does, he's going to fit right in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1T0NHc_TG0

Alexeyev is 6'4" and has a monster slap shot from the center point like a left shot John Carlson, but he's also got a lot of the same tools as Suzuki. He can stickhandle around two defenders to get a clear shot. He can make accurate cross-ice passes. He has an accurate backhand and an incredibly accurate wristshot, able to score an empty netter from 200 feet out. He could skate a little quicker, if ever wants to win a Norris trophy, but there's nothing stopping him from playing in the NHL right now, except that the Caps respect Brooks Orpik and want to give him one last kick at the can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdTCwSogjIQ

The OHL is still slightly tougher than the WHL, but it's like a 3% difference. https://twitter.com/hockeyabstract/status/866477120360402944?lang=en

The bigger difference is just size. Big guys who can skate pretty well like Alexeyev can move up right away. Other than Patrick Kane, guys under 6' usually don't get to the NHL for a couple years. Suzuki's good, but he's got almost no chance to make an impact in this year's playoffs. Alexeyev, it is rumored, could be called up and play a little in this year's playoffs, and that is a difference of much more than 3% in terms of value, between two likely playoff teams in the same conference.

So..... Kempny and Orlov are chopped liver?

You know who's Josh Brook ?

Who?

Edit: Okay, I looked him up: a 2nd round steal the Habs drafted who's one of five WHL defensemen scoring points faster than Alexeyev this year? That's amazing.

Do you know who Dimitry Orlov is?

He tied for third in even strength points by a playoff defenseman: http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skaterpoints&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20172018&seasonTo=20172018&gameType=3&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evPoints,points

Orlov is tied with Trouba for 30th in even strength points since summer '16, with Trouba. They're right behind Subban and McDonagh, and just ahead of Petry: www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterpoints&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20162017&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evPoints,points

He also plays on a shutdown pair, with about 40% offensive zone starts.

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Josh Brook

Josh Brook > All your prospect

Is this newsworthy? The Habs have always been better at scouting Canadian juniors. The Caps have to scout every league in the world just to keep up. This is not news, nor is it relevant to the conversation, unless it's a passive aggressive way of saying, "no thanks, we're all stocked up, because Josh Brook will clone himself five times and that's our whole blue line."

My point is Alexeyev can be better than Brook in the future, not because Brook have more goals and way more points than Alexeyev he's better. Suzuki's the top prospect habs got, before Ryan Poehling ( MVP WJC-20 ) Alexander Romanov ( Best defenseman of the tournement WJC-20 with Brannstrom ) and Josh Brook.

Can't tell if you're serious, but if you think I'm way off on evaluation, do you think the Canadiens consider trading Brook somewhere? Because I think a lot of teams would love to take a chance that he keeps developing.

Meanwhile..... is there a top center prospect that Montreal would trade?

Suzuki but for a LHD in a package deal

Great. What does that look like?