Adding a 2nd round pick from Minnesota might make it a little less insulting to Dubas

If you're instantly making Nylander you're 1C that adds quite a bit of value to the deal. If it has to be Spurgeon in the deal, it starts with a guaranteed extension as part of the deal. I'd still think Toronto targets Dumba over Spurgeon though cause Dumbas fits that age of the core better and is signed longer at a better AAV. But then you're probably adding in a 2nd rounder and another prospect. Toronto would add more too, it'd be more of a blockbuster type of deal. But getting a 1C is a lot harder than finding a d-man that's likely at best a #2, but realistically a #3 guy

There is absolutely nothing insulting about this offer to the Leafs! Nothing!

Who are you calling a #2 or #3 guy??? Dumba and Spurgeon are both 100% legit top pairing RHDs.

... both can't be a true #1 if the're both "top pairing guys".. they're top pairing guys on Minnesota, doesn't mean they're top pairing guys everywhere which doesn't make them a true #1. They wouldn't be a #1 on Toronto either. Rielly is. Therefore, they're both either a #2 or #3 guy.

This is probably the perfect summer for Fenton! Adding a "now" piece in Pavelski a "now and future" piece in Nylander, getting younger on the blue line, and getting rid of Zucker. However, Zaitzev might be adding too much to his value for his playoff performance, so far...but (IMO) Ek is a very nice piece going back the other way to make this equitable. In fact, I really don't know if I love this trade because he is involved...but, would definitely give it a lot of consideration. As you know, I like Ek's future a lot! I know Fenton would never do this, but I would prefer to include Fiala in this deal over Ek. I simply do not like ANY player with effort issues...regardless of how talented they might be...

It will be interesting to see how the Leafs do in the playoffs...that will (obviously) have a big say in what they end up doing this summer...

By your logic, there would only be ONE #1 D in the world...

You need to know more about Dumba and Spurgeon before you make comments like this! They are both bonafide, legitimate, top pairing defenseman. Reilly is very, very good...I agree...but these two are his equals.

I agree Ek showed a ton of potential towards the end of the year. I think there's a good chance he could be a Koivu replacement after all. That said we need offense and I don't think Ek will ever be that guy. I would ultimately like to keep him but if he can land us Nylander then I say we do it.

On a side note, the lack of knowledge around the league about how good Spurgeon is is extremely frustrating. He'd easily become the Leafs best defensemen (defensively speaking)

I'm not ready to give up on Ek has having some offensive punch yet. I think he can become a 20 goal guy. Time will tell...

I completely agree with you about Spurgeon!