Would you do Alzner instead of Suzuki?

Nah

Is this a joke? Cause Suzuki for Brodin is sooooooo bad

Toronto declines pretty quick. Nylander isn't being moved this summer and if it was even considered, a younger d-man with a better contract would be the main piece of a return. Spurgeon doesn't fit the age of the core and he could be a UFA after 1 year. Value is highly in Minnesota's favour there

You act like an extension wouldn’t be part of Toronto making any deal involving Spurgeon. Also he’s 9 months older than Tavares, so he’s not some fossil that they wouldn’t get 4 or 5 good seasons out of.

& Nylander is 7 years younger than Spurgeon.. you don't trade a 23 year old that's part of your core for a 30 year old to be a part of it, that only makes the core older and shuts the window to win a little more. Tavares was a different scenario. He was a free agent that cost the Leafs nothing to get, to add a veteran to the line up. Spurgeon is costing them part of their core and only making it older. Fair price for him even with an extension is right around Kapanen, Liljegren and a 2nd and he'd be a good fit. But Nylander is no where near involved in that deal

Get 4 or 5 good seasons out of Spurgeon or get 10 to 12 good seasons out of Nylander. Which would you choose? Seems pretty obvious to keep Nylander to me.

As a post, this is more or less a joke. But in my opinion Brodin for Suzuki is pretty good trade. Solid TOP4 D for a good TOP6 forward prospect. Especially considering the state that MTL is in, they don't really need Suzuki as much as Brodin.

If they were both forwards, I’d agree. But they’re not, so if Dubas thinks Spurgeon on the backend is the missing piece and giving up Nylander while being able to keep Kadri and Kapenan up front is worth it, it’s not a completely awful deal like you make it sound.

it's not as good of one as you're trying to make it seem either. Nylander can get a younger d-man in return. It wouldn't be Spurgeon as the main piece for age and contract reasons. Doesn't make sense from a Leafs perspective.

Better idea = move Kadri

My take on it is that if you'd like to get through the first round of the playoffs, you should consider doing the move. The thing is, it doesn't matter how young your team is if it eventually won't bring you any success. The fact that TOR is going to load up the team with full contracts now means that TOR is out of contention in 3-5 years when you have no money left to strengthen your team. It happens with all franchises, Blackhawks and maybe Kings are a good example of that.

I agree, especially if they can figure out a way to bring in a cheaper 3C. Someone like Haula if he’s healthy would be perfect imo.

Interesting to me that you suggest Kapenan, Liljegren and a pick for Spurgeon btw. What do you think Liljegren projects out to be? Might be something I’d consider strongly if I’m the Wild.

they were literally 1 game away from making it to the second round in both of the last 2 seasons.. Spurgeon doesn't make up the difference of shaky goaltending in both game 7's and not to mention game 6 this year. That's on goaltending, not a defensemen.

I see Liljegren as someone similar to a Justin Faulk from Carolina. A good #3 option, but probably not a top pairing guy. He's got good offence and surprisingly good defence for his age, but he doesn't shoot enough. His shot needs some work but his mind and skating ability make up for it. I don't see him ever playing top minutes with Rielly, but I think Jake Muzzin is a perfect partner for him on a 2nd pair.

As for centre depth, Haula is good but they need some right handed centres. As much as it's talked about that they need a right handed d-man, they need a right handed centre more. They have none. They've been using wingers as one for awhile now. Either transition Nylander to a full time centre (he's not a bad centre, but I suggest keeping him with Matthews) or trade for one/develop one. I like Luke Kunin from Minnesota or J.G Pageau from Ottawa as low key options. Pageau makes a bit too much and Kunin might be a hard get but they'd be my top 2 targets

Not the point. TOR as a team has need for added d-man. It's pretty much a given that any cup winner lately has had their d-pairs in the league TOP10. Leafs wouldn't even reach the TOP20 with their current pairs, and their goals against statistics prove that. They need to strengthen their defense. Nylander could be a terrific asset to that, and Spurgeon would be a terrific asset to TOR. First pair D for all the years they have contention to come for a tad overpaid forward. Overall, their team would get much better after that trade. What I've read above is basically you saying that Nylander is going to be extremely good for all of the years of his career until he's 35. Which is not going to be the case in most likely 5 years when he most likely walks since TOR is going to be in so deep cap trouble and possibly out from being a playoff bound team. I can't predict the future, but just by assuming that Matthews, Tavares and Marner is taking $33M out of your cap, Rielly going close to $8-9M with his new contract and probably Andersen too...you guys are out of money to keep Nylander... I'm not a foreteller, but it's going to be mighty hard to keep him with those contracts lining up.

Point being, it's better use the value now when you're about to contend. Solid first pair D is going to help you now compared to a player used in the 3rd line.