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Nothing Huge Moves with NYR and LAK Sam at C Alex gets his shot

Created by: Smithcd995
Initial Creation Date: Jun 11, 2019
Published: Jun 11, 2019 at 9:12
Team: 2019-20 Buffalo Sabres
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ullmark, Linus1$1,900,000
Smith, C.J.1$1,000,000
Rodrigues, Evan2$1,900,000
McCabe, Jake3$2,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Coburn, Braydon1$3,250,000
Boyle, Brian2$2,800,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Toffoli, Tyler
LAK
  1. Smith, C.J.
  2. Girgensons, Zemgus [RFA Rights]
  3. 2019 3rd round pick (BUF)
  4. 2020 4th round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Not sure if this is enough. If they take it great if not I look elsewhere. I don't value Toffoli crazy high right now.
BUF
  1. Namestnikov, Vladislav
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (DAL)
NYR
  1. Scandella, Marco
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (STL)
  3. 2021 4th round pick (BUF)
  4. 2020 5th round pick (BUF)
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Ville Leino: $0
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Eric Staal: $1,625,000 (50%)
Buried
  • Vladimír Sobotka: $2,425,000 ($3,500,000)
  • Matt Hunwick: $1,175,000 ($2,250,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
BUF
STL
SJS
BUF
TOR
WPG
BUF
2020
BUF
BUF
DAL
BUF
DAL
2021
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$81,190,357$0$4,682,500$1,809,643
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 7
BUF
Nylander, Alexander
$863,333
RW, LW
RFA - 2
NYR
Namestnikov, Vladislav
$3,250,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
$3,650,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
LAK
Toffoli, Tyler
$4,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
BUF
Sheary, Conor
$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
BUF
Mittelstadt, Casey
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
$767,500
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Boyle, Brian
$2,800,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
BUF
Rodrigues, Evan
$1,900,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
BUF
Wilson, Scott
$1,050,000
LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
BUF
Montour, Brandon
$3,387,500
LD/RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Hutton, Carter
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 2
BUF
McCabe, Jake
$2,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 3
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
$1,900,000
G
UFA - 1
Coburn, Braydon
$3,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
BUF
Bogosian, Zach
$5,142,857
RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Nelson, Casey
$812,500
RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Bogosian, Zach
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jun 11, 2019 at 9:13
#1
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Namestnikov is a very streaky player be careful with him
Jun 11, 2019 at 9:15
#2
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Meow
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Quoting: chaywood
Namestnikov is a very streaky player be careful with him


Scandella's money swap for the cost of a 2021 second with some other picks swapped makes his potential worth it to me. If it doesn't work out you lose a second and move on.
Jun 11, 2019 at 9:27
#3
Servant of Chaos
Joined: Jan 2016
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Likes: 215
While i wouldn't mind an additional 2nd rounder, Scandella's not exactly good, in a position where the Rangers have a logjam of either rookies or not exactly good players.
Jun 11, 2019 at 9:28
#4
Tspky
Joined: Feb 2016
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Quoting: Smithcd995
Scandella's money swap for the cost of a 2021 second with some other picks swapped makes his potential worth it to me. If it doesn't work out you lose a second and move on.


the 3rd round pick is a conditional 1st, no way that's a deal.. idk if you'd get the 3rd either.. namestnikov himself is worth a 3rd, so sending a cap dump of Scandella makes it a 2nd.. don't think the other picks are needed either tho. I'd be okay with losing a 3rd rounder in the deal, just don't think it's smart.
Jun 11, 2019 at 9:34
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Thread Starter
Meow
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 570
Quoting: Spanky227
the 3rd round pick is a conditional 1st, no way that's a deal.. idk if you'd get the 3rd either.. namestnikov himself is worth a 3rd, so sending a cap dump of Scandella makes it a 2nd.. don't think the other picks are needed either tho. I'd be okay with losing a 3rd rounder in the deal, just don't think it's smart.


How is it a conditional first? The picks can be sorted out.
Jun 11, 2019 at 9:34
#6
Thread Starter
Meow
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 570
Quoting: Smithcd995
How is it a conditional first? The picks can be sorted out.


Nevermind I answered my own question
Jun 11, 2019 at 9:48
#7
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Likes: 1,358
I don't think Namestnikov and Toffoli have drastically different values. Yet these seems like pretty different trades...Scandella is like REALLY bad at hockey. Not Sobotka bad but pretty terrible.
Jun 11, 2019 at 9:50
#8
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Meow
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Quoting: Sagecoll
I don't think Namestnikov and Toffoli have drastically different values. Yet these seems like pretty different trades...Scandella is like REALLY bad at hockey. Not Sobotka bad but pretty terrible.


Elaborate on the values please.
Jun 11, 2019 at 9:54
#9
Tspky
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Quoting: Smithcd995
How is it a conditional first? The picks can be sorted out.


the pick from Dallas turns into a 1st if Zucc resigns with them.. so the rangers won't trade it unless he doesn't resign
Jun 11, 2019 at 10:13
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Quoting: Smithcd995
Elaborate on the values please.


Sure I guess....Over the last 2 seasons

Namestnikov: 1.81 pts / 60 mins
Toffoli: 1.79 pts / 60 mins

Both had comparable possession stats.

Pretty remarkable that they were able to keep pace with each other given that Namestnikov had a Zone rating of 42, compared to 51 for Toffoli. In terms Sabres fans can get, Namestnikov is basically Evan Rodrigues defensively. Now imagine if Rodrigues was stuck shuffling around the 4th line for about half a year with guys like Sobotka, Thompson, Larsson, Girgensons, etc. And he still came out and scored 30 points...you'd probably think that'd be pretty impressive and perhaps the coach was weirdly holding him back...yeah that's kinda the idea.

Compared to Toffoli who spent the majority of the season with Kempe and Carter and just as much time with Drew Daughty as both of them...

So if we agree that your 4th and 5th at best equal the 3rd we're giving or come a little below.

The trade starts to roughly seem like Evan Rodrigues for a 2nd and Scandella. I think as a Sabres fan you'd ask to drop Scandella entirely. And you'd be correct in your evaluation of the trade...
 
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