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Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 5:04 pm
Thread: Kreider and Green
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>InfamousJB</b></div><div>You hit the nail on the head there.. is it worth that much for a rental.. especially when everything you give up will be playing against you on a reg. basis... Heck theres the chance he even goes back....</div></div>

I can't speculate on that. I do know that team's like to win cups. And given that the Capitals have the oldest roster in the league and the majority of those older players signed well into their 30's and less than a handful of actual NHL prospects in the pool, I'd say that the probability of winning a cup is going to go decently down in a few years.

So it makes sense that a team like Washington would take their 1st and one of the few top prospects they have to make a move to win a cup. It's not the greatest long term strategy but the Capitals have set themselves up for this by having 9 F's on the books through at least 2 more seasons, and that's not even considering if Ovi resigns or Vrana signs an extension. So the Caps in this position kinda have to keep pace with Pitt and Carolina and Tampa if they're going to have a legit shot at another cup over the next couple years. That's not going to happen through drafting/developing, that's goin to happen through asset acquisition.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 3:52 pm
Thread: NYR Deadline
Have a hard time believing Jost will be the best prospect on the table for the Rangers for Kreider.

Bob said thus far the offers on the table from Boston, Colorado, St. Louis, Isles and Washington include a "1st + Top Prospect + cond pick/prospect"

Wouldn't describe Jost as a "top prospect". Gotta believe names like Kostin/Kyrou, McMichael/Protas, Wahlstrom, and Studnicka are the level we're talking about here. Tough to believe that every one of those guys are in play, but also tough to be believe that none of them are after the trades we've seen go down thus far.

Also your valuation of Hank is weird. He's a top goalie. Rangers wouldn't take a cap dump if they're retaining...only if they're <em>not</em> retaining. Also word is that they're going to wait until the summer to do anything with their goalies.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 3:35 pm
Thread: Next year with Kreider
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WalterT</b></div><div>I'm definitely not good with player valuations and would rather be on the conservative side. I do feel strongly that the Rangers would prefer young players and prospects to draft choices. They are looking for help in the next few years rather than drafting an 18 year old. A Kreider trade would almost. Certainly include a 1st but that could be flipped for an NHL ready player.</div></div>

That's fine. I just don't know why you would then make a trade to a team with one of the worst prospect pools in the league...It just doesn't make sense logistically....the thing is with Strome's RFA status he doesn't necessarily need to go to a contender, he has team control. Teams like Buffalo or Florida or Anaheim, Ottawa, could all use some middle 6 C help.

You have other options is the point.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 11:27 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 11:09 pm
Thread: Kreider Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Foppa21</b></div><div>Coleman is totally different because he has both term and an insane contract. Term is valuable and changes the game entirely. Toffoli is the best comparison this year. I agree with you though, a 1st + Kamenev/Kaut/Bowers probably doesn't get it done. If I were Joe, the highest I would go is 2020 1st + Jost. The kid needs a change of scenery, but a former 1st rounder. If it's more expensive than that, I'd stand pat. Our window is just opening, no reason to sacrifice the depth of our prospect pool for a run when we're down Kadri and Rantanen.</div></div>

yeah unfortunately I don't think that gets it done. I'd think every contender that made a trade: a) Pitt b) St. Louis c) Washington d) Vancouver e) Tampa f) Islanders thought that their team overpaid. But perhaps that's just the market this year...
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 10:57 pm
Thread: Kreider Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Foppa21</b></div><div>Your logic is sound, but Newhook's putting up absurd numbers this year. I think he and Byram are about as untouchable as can be. Timmins is in there, as in Annunen, but Rangers have no need of a goalie prospect. Kaut and Bowers are also likely in play.

I'd wager it'll be 2020 1st + Kamenev/Kaut/Bowers</div></div>

That would be less than Coleman got and thus probably not in the ballpark...in a 1st + prospect format

Gorton would probably pivot to a Duchene-esque package: 1st + cond 1st + Kaut +

Since Blues are most likely offering 1st + Kyrou/Kostin and Boston is offering 1st + Studnicka. That would be the only way Colorado could realistically be in play.

I honestly don't know if Sakic does it. But it's ridiculous to try and compare guys like Kaut/Bowers to the previously mentioned prospects. I'm not sure if it works to Colorado because to compete with Boston/St. Louis it would take either

a) Newhook
b) an additional cond 1st with a decent likelihood of hitting (conference finals/resign)
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 10:47 pm
Thread: Kreider Wowzers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chief_Kief</b></div><div>Nope. Stone, a legit top 10 RW, got an A prospect, 2nd round pick, and a veteran bottom six player. Kreider is a fringe first liner, if you actually think he'd get an A prospect, a first, and a 21 year old who should be a bottom 6 forward right now you're the one who doesn't know what they're talking about. They got a first, a young 4th liner, and a conditional 4th for Hayes, don't see the return being more than mine</div></div>


It's an entirely different market, why are you comparing to last year? Blake Coleman and Jason Zucker already got as much value as Mark Stone.

Of course every trade this year is going to seem ridiculous compared to last year. Marco Scandella just got traded for what Marcus Johansson got. You gotta adjust.