They'd move a pick and a lower tier prospect, doubt Kaut would be on the table. Especially since Kreider is an impending UFA.

Colorado fans overvalue Kaut like most Ranger fans overvalue Kreider.
Similar to the hayes deal, the rangers will get a 1st plus a decent prospect/young player.
Kaut has more potential than Lemieux, so it'll probably be more like this.

Kreider for Kaut+2nd that turns into a 1st if kreider resigns.
Kaut isn't in the upper echelon of prospects, he is good don't get me wrong, but to put it in perspective, he's been outperformed by Lias Andersson at every level (I'm comparing their stats from equivalent years as Lias is a year older, i'm going a year back on Lias) who many NYR fans are labeling as a bust.

Personally I would love if the offer was Kaut + a conditional 2nd.

Yeah but you guys have Sakic as GM.. he's notorious for being.. well.. a male appendage

No need to worry. I'm a Ranger fan. haha I just wanted to get Colorado's perspective on Kaut since I don't follow their prospects that closely.

I don't think I'm overvaluing him, I know he'll be a mid-6 player at best. But when you look at the window we have ahead of us, you need players like that who are still on their ELCs playing those minutes. Value wise? Yeah, Kaut + a 2nd sounds about right. I'm just not sure the Avs do it because of the value he'd bring 2-3 years down the road, but you never know. Word is that Joe's being aggressive with things right now.

He's a decent prospect that needed to adjust to the American ice last year. Had a decent showing at the WJC and is likely a mid-6 guy at best.

thats exact reason why it wont get done...the Avs and Rangers have talked Kreider before and they are not willing to part with their top prospects such as Kaut. If either side was willing to budge they were they deal would have been done already.

Avs dont need to trade for Kreider so they will just keep Kaut and keep on moving. Kaut had a solid season, his defensive game is already NHL caliber from what guys have reported. His conditioning fell off bc he was unable to train fully last off season bc of his heart issue. You can not box score stat sheet evaluate Kaut, bc you are doing yourself a huge disservice if thats how you analyze his first season in NA

and what are you talking about Lias Andersson?
They played in different leagues in their draft year so you cant box score compare them if you dont know the leagues and you cant compare their first seasons in teh AHL if you dont know what roles they were put in either. Thats a huge reach here, and frankly a weird one

Yeah, i'd guess Shane Bowers (recruited by Quin to BU) & COL's 2nd #47 overall & a conditional 2020 2nd rounder if Kreider resigns with COL.

for and extended Kreider, Bowers and a 2020 1st is as high as I would go

Kreider can't get extended until after 1/1/2020, so we dont know now if that would happen.
I figured giving up two, 2's (potentially) & keeping the first would be better for COL.
Bowers & 2019 #47 for a rental Kreider is less than the return NYR got for Hayes. The conditional 2020 2nd if he was extended by COL would still be a solid deal for both teams...
Sakic doesn't give up a 1st rounder & Bowers wasn't even one of his picks.


Heck i'd do Bowers & COL's 2019 3rd pick # 63 & a 2020 conditional 1st (lottery protected, if so becomes 2021 1st) if Kreider resigns.

Not sure the Rangers take that. What about Bowers + COL 2019 2nd pick (47) + Conditional 2021 3rd (becomes 2020 1st if Kreider resigns, top 5 protected).

I think thats too much for Colorado to give up (Bowers a 2nd-2019 & a 3rd-2020 for a Rental if CK does not resign)

Hmm, so we got a few interesting ones.

- Bowers (recruited by Quin to BU) & COL's 2nd #47 overall & a conditional 2020 2nd rounder if Kreider resigns with COL.
- Bowers and a 2020 1st - for Kreider (2020 is conditional that Kreider Resigns with COL
- Bowers & COL's 2019 3rd pick # 63 & a 2020 conditional 1st (lottery protected, if so becomes 2021 1st) if Kreider resigns.
- Bowers + COL 2019 2nd pick (47) + Conditional 2021 3rd (becomes 2020 1st if Kreider resigns, top 5 protected).

Now that think more about it, looking at these:
Bowers + COL 2019 3rd RD pick #63 + Conditional 2021 2nd RD Pick - becomes 2020 1st round pick if CK resigns - Lottery protected, if so, becomes 2021 first)

I don't think the last one is unfair, I just feel like the Rangers could get more. Kreider isn't a true "rental" you are getting him for the whole season. Its not like he's playing 27 games so for me the starting price without an extension would have to be a 2nd + a prospect with a conditional pick based off of him signing. That being said if this was the type of deal they made I wouldn't be upset.

True CK would not be a true deadline deal -like rental, heck, COL could flip him if they wanted too -
SO we send that last one over to Gorton & Sakic & get this done !

Before we finalize this let me just get Chevy on the phone and see what he has to offer. Could probably get Conners + #20 Overall for Kreider and Shattenkirk.