Also his numbers where much worse away from John where as Tavares's stats where similar away from Mitch. The stats dont lie they just help tell the story.

So who did J.T. leech off of when he went from a 60 point player to a point per game player by his 3rd year? Same stupid logic. There was a natural up swing which was going to happen whether Marner was with Bozak (career best point when he played with Marner), Kadri (career goal scoring high playing with Marner) or Tavares (again another player who scored their career best with Marner). Any Corsi number tell you that? propaganda missed those facts, odd.

Yes, I agree we're looking into the same mirror.

That's the point, Tavares never had talent until Mitch and he's always been exceptional. Mitch benefited way more than JT. And stupid logic??? This from the person who's saying there's no difference between Bozak, Kadri and Tavares??? Really???

BeastModeUnknown ain't a troll, just a hockey fan with logic who's unbiased.

Bozak (career best points (55) when he played with Marner), Kadri (career goal scoring high (32) playing with Marner) or Tavares (again another player who scored their career best (47) with Marner). Any Corsi numbers tell you that? propaganda missed those facts, odd.

On the flip side, we can all agree or argue how Point is leeching off his superstar line mates too.

Corsica.hockey is the easiest one to get to.

Stats show that Kucherov made his career year based on Point's play not the other way around kid.

Thanks

Hmm, considering Marner is still terrible on defense, and he was just as bad when he was on the Bozak line. So what's your point...we all get you want to protect your boy Marner. Just because you are in the Mitch Marner boy scout fan club doesn't mean you have to push it off onto us as a troll. Your reputation has pretty much been up ended here. This is why I blocked you the last time, you brought nothing to the conversation, you just say something to say something because you want to look smart, even if it makes you look like a dumbass. I gave you a statline, you threw it away. john Tavares moved, and got better players on his line, he was still making good offensive production when he didn't have a good line in NYI. So yes him having better linemates helps, but if Marner wasn't there and it was Kapanen it would be the same production just because even he is better than any of the guys he had in NYI. So what you are saying is a false perception from a Bias Toronto fan with Toronto fans you get it 50/50, but if you actually look into the games, you know like let's say 1st Round Series Against Boston, watch the 2nd half of the series then you know you are dramatically false kid. So nice try, but Casual Fans do not outweigh the people who actually know a thing or 2 about Hockey, not kids who watch it on TV say ooh this is really cool. What you think is hockey is he shoots, he scores, or he gets blocked. That's about it, know advanced knowledge of the game at all just the basics. That's definitely not something you want on CF.

keep calling me kid, boy

That's because you are a kid. You act like one, so you will be called, and treated like a kid. Until you can act like an adult, and have a conversation like an adult. I am not going to take you seriously. The King of Trolling is not going to be taken seriously. So again KID I will call you kid.

thank you, boy.

can you guess who's going on the ignore list? boy

you're "arguments" and "conversation skills" were just as lame and troll like, BOY

no one takes anything you state seriously, BOY

The king of Trolls is your title, so yes it's true, BOY

If only that were true. Only the biggest dumbass in the NHL World. Casual Fans. I had a good laugh at your stupidity, but now I start to pity you. And My conversation skills are better than yours. Yours consists of playing defense and calling someone dumb because they don't agree with you. Have you not seen the pattern? Only reason you do this is because I got under your skin once now you try to get back at me. Again immatuiry, kid, now it should all make sense to you. Live your Capfriendly Life, you clearly don't know how to live an actual one.

Marner was projecting at a 90pt pace over the 2nd half of the 2017-18 season...he pretty much kept that pace (or rather, was able to perform consistently throughout the year), with Tavares riding shotgun.

Each player makes the other better.

Obviously just evaluating the fairness of the trade....I'd take that deal...mostly for the business side of things. I'm a big marner fan, but 7yrs < $10m for Point would be worth it to get a player of his caliber locked in at those terms.

Also...and I've seen this comment on a few other Marner threads...he's actually very good defensively. Because he handles the puck and carries it up the ice a lot (and is pass first), he has his fair share of turnovers. But he breaks up a lot of passes himself and, while he's never going to rub anyone out along the boards...he's very good at disrupting the breakout of other teams.

Yes, they both make each other better. But Tavares drove that line and the stats prove it.

I'll add that JVR also had a career goal scoring output season while playing with Marner, so let's add up the REAL numbers not the corsi fake propaganda numbers. Bozak (55 point personal best), Kadri (32 goal career high), JVR (36 goal career high), Hyman (21 goal career high) and Tavares (47 goal career high) all players that leeched off Marner's talent when they played with him.

Yeah, but Marner again is spotty. Just watch the back half of the Boston Bruins Series, it's literally what I am meaning, but @draft_em_sign_em_trade_em over here says that Marner=McDavid and that Marner>>>>>Point all this crap that he has sai din the past. He is tragically wrong. Marner slacks on offense when he is most needed under pressure which I guess you can say is acceptable when you have a high powered offense with a lot of other guys who can pick up his slack, but his seasonal play solely based on Tavares way of driving the puck. Can't say he is worth it, Point on the other hand if he wasn't there you wouldn't be seeing a Kucherov Career year.

Thanks for the shout out and mis quoting me, my friend.

Marner=McDavid. sigh, attack mode again.
Marner is greater than Point when it comes to what the Leafs needs are (unless we're trading Marner for a Top pair Dman), the Leafs got the fire power (2 potential 50 goal scorers in Matthews and J.T.) Marner is the playmaking set up guy this team needs to help J.T. to score 50. Replace Point on J.T.'s wing would do exactly what? creating less scoring chances for J.T.

Marner's playoffs last season was connected to J.T.'s poor play too. Ironic that if Marner cracks under the playoff pressure like you suggest than he wouldn't have scored a PPG in the playoffs before last season. Still a better PPG than Matthews during the playoffs too.

Marner is better defensively than you suggest, he shows more desire and passion in his game style than the majority of his team mates.

This is a good AGM, obviously trade has a low likelihood of happening, but it is a fair trade. I would rather trade for thakuk, as he is a good grit grinder, and would cost less. Sadly, liljegren isn't ready, he will be ready next year. At this point, I think gravel is a good option for 3rd RD IDK though.