Huge underpayment for gards

You're 100% correct, he's worth much more. Only reason I put that is because I read (purely speculation) that he wants to stay in Toronto and is willing to take a pay cut. Just too bad that we're in a bit of cap restraint.

Imagine are top 6 then
Rielly ceci
Muzz barrie
Gards dermott
That would be very solid

Remove nurse, then maybe

I’d rather Auston and willy over mcdavid

McDavid Trade: it is interesting. I hate it, which propbably means its getting to the point of a fair trade. But I like the out of the box thinking
Marner: You have overpaid Marner 2-3Million AAV. He is worth 8.5/5 (same as Aho) and go up and down from there based on the term.
Gards: Very low AAV but i agree with you. I think he wants back. Why has he not signed with any other team in free agency. 50pt defencement dont grow on trees. But he could sign for that perhaps.
Ceci: Yes please go far away

Yeah I'd pretty much agree with u in terms of his value. I just think that he would get paid much more than Aho just because of our market

You mean like endorsement deals!

LOL Marner must make so much from endorsements. He's got Redbull, Beats by Dre, Apple and a bunch others. My favorite ones are the Intact insurance ones, they always crack me up.

I mean city should not affect term. skill should. Dubas is a math guy and hasnt cracked to any BS marner camp pressure. So I doubt he is going to go, hey here is an extra 1M becasue you live in toronto, and by the way have fun with your 3+mil a year endorcement deals

Fair point, I agree Dubas wouldn't be the type to crack to pressure, as we witnessed with the nylander contract last year, he was willing to let him sit. But I feel like a person of marner's caliber, who lead the team in scoring for 2 seasons, he may be inclined to get a deal done before the season starts, to avoid losing out on a player that is a definite difference maker. This could mean that he may have to give in a bit (not fully crack) to marner's ask. I can definitely see marner signing for 10.65-10.85 MM for 5-6 years.

Marner can ask for 10.6-10.85. But thats a joke if Dubas agrees to it. Thats a huge overpayment for Marner. A definate difference maker? Yeah sure but is he the best difference maker they have, id argue no. Also you talk about leading the team in points. Sure he did. But why did he. his 2nd year, Matthews was injured. I would argue MAtthews probably would have got over 69 points if he was healthy.

Last season, Marner increased 25+. JT only increased +4. Now I think they both make eachother better, but Marner playing with an Elite center wooha. I keep asking myself What would marners point totals of been if he wasnt playing with JT all the time. If he had Kadri, Kapanen, Johnsonn Hyman. You need an elite finisher if your marner. ive watched passes bounce of Hyman, Kap, Kadri sticks, skates, shin pads, or not even being in the right position all together too many times over the years with him. In my head Marner would get 70-82 points. Which is still great.

But we need to be reasonable. JT is elite. Him with Marner is amazing but defintately helped point totals.

In terms of AAV few comparables
Kanes 2nd contract- 11% of the cap, basically been compared to Marner his whole life
Point - Rumored 8-9Mil/5. 1 year older,scores more goals plays center
AHO- Same age, same draft. Plays center(more valuable), scores more goals(more valuable), better defensively, and at least equal to marner in production/skill. Signed an offersheet, agreed he is worth 8.5/5. Carolina and Montreal also agreed he is worth that. Boom best comparable.

So Marner 6/2, 7.5/3, 8/4, 8.5/5, 9/6, 9.5/7, 10/8 Fair value Sign please


Also if Dubas is smart he starts leaking trade rumors in august and scare marner into signing. if Marner wants to be a leaf(as is believed) and Paul and Ferris are posioning him with bad advice(as is believed) things will get sorted pretty quickly. Fair deal