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Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 6, 2019
Published: Aug. 6, 2019
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Johnson Trade:
LA seems like an ideal candidate for JJ. They don't have many LDs and can cope with the JJ contract if we give them an incentive to. Giving a 2nd and 3rd is more than fair considering his cap hit isn't 4+ million.

Zucker trade: I still think a Zucker trade is plausible. Wild are still looking to contend and honestly, after signing zuccarello, they really aren't too concerned about age.
I'm willing to give up a 1st, 2 prospects and Hornqvist or Bjugstad for him. Hornqvist becomes a player they can utilize right away and can contribute about 45-50 pts.
Zucker would be an absolute stud on a line with Crosby and Guentzel. He can play both wings, is solid defensively and can generate scoring chances on that stellar line.

Pettersson: I think Pens give him 2-3 years at under $2m. He hasn't solidifed himself as a top-4 yet but I think that his ceiling is that and he showed glimpses of being a top-four guy in a lot of matches last season.

Gudbranson: I think keeping him this year is okay. Move him at some point after the season if we're lacking cap space to sign our RFAs. We have no other usable RD that can pass him on the depth chart right now.

Aston-Reese: I feel that he needs top-six minutes. I like his offensive game and he's surprisingly very good at using his body. Gives like 7 hits per game. I think he can continue building on his game and net over 40-45 pts on Genos line.
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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:07 a.m.
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I like this, except Kahun should be top 6, or at least top 9, I wouldn't be surprised if he scores 50+ points this year and Simon needs to get into the lineup too
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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:39 a.m.
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I like this, except Kahun should be top 6, or at least top 9, I wouldn't be surprised if he scores 50+ points this year and Simon needs to get into the lineup too


we have so much depth up front. I think no matter what, when the entire team is healthy, you have at least one quality guy not playing in the lineup.
I like kahun but I also think we haven't even scratched the surface on what ZAR can do.
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Aug. 6, 2019 at 10:52 a.m.
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Hornqvist for Zucker is actually not a bad 1-for-1 trade. Adding a 1st is crazy. Maybe Hornqvist and Bjorkqvist.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 11:03 a.m.
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Hornqvist for Zucker is actually not a bad 1-for-1 trade. Adding a 1st is crazy. Maybe Hornqvist and Bjorkqvist.


Zucker is a lot better than Hornqvist. He's a defensively responsible winger like Mark Stone. I have no doubt Zucker would be a 60-70 pts winger on the Pens.
It's the back-end of hornqvist's contract that's brutal.
To compensate, I added the first.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 11:25 a.m.
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Zucker is a lot better than Hornqvist. He's a defensively responsible winger like Mark Stone. I have no doubt Zucker would be a 60-70 pts winger on the Pens.
It's the back-end of hornqvist's contract that's brutal.
To compensate, I added the first.


Zucker is highly over rated. Zucker and Hornqvist produce nearly the same point production. Hornqvist has more value past point production that Zucker as well. Also, the only reason the Pens would consider trading Hornqvist is cap reasons, while the Wild have been actively trying to move Zucker for over a year, with no takers. Zucker is not a defensive liability, but he doesn't bring a level of D to the table either. hornqvist plays with much more passion and is a better leader.

Points only (and I know that points aren't everything), looking at the last 4 years:
Z has 313gp 89-87-176, 0.562 ppg
H has 285gp 90-91-181, 0.635 ppg

Only the last 2 years looks a little better for Zucker (as it includes his career year and Hornqvist's bad year)
Z has 163gp 54-52-106, 0.650 ppg
H has 133gp 47-39-86, 0.623 ppg
So despite Zucker's career year and 30 more games, they scored close to the same goals. Points per game is also quite close despite one having a career year and the other a "he stunk" year.

Their on ice value is extremely similar. Zucker is a higher cap hit so that does not help his value to the Pens (as I mentioned, Hornqvist probably only moves for cap reasons). There is simply no way that Zucker = Hornqvist + 1st. Not even Hornqvist + Bellerive. Bjorkqvist+cap difference+Hornqvist's passion more than offsets the age difference. Hornqvist + Bjorkqvist and we can talk. If the Wild want more then they are retaining too.
Aug. 6, 2019 at 11:34 a.m.
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Quoting: Yojimbo
Zucker is highly over rated. Zucker and Hornqvist produce nearly the same point production. Hornqvist has more value past point production that Zucker as well. Also, the only reason the Pens would consider trading Hornqvist is cap reasons, while the Wild have been actively trying to move Zucker for over a year, with no takers. Zucker is not a defensive liability, but he doesn't bring a level of D to the table either. hornqvist plays with much more passion and is a better leader.

Points only (and I know that points aren't everything), looking at the last 4 years:
Z has 313gp 89-87-176, 0.562 ppg
H has 285gp 90-91-181, 0.635 ppg

Only the last 2 years looks a little better for Zucker (as it includes his career year and Hornqvist's bad year)
Z has 163gp 54-52-106, 0.650 ppg
H has 133gp 47-39-86, 0.623 ppg
So despite Zucker's career year and 30 more games, they scored close to the same goals. Points per game is also quite close despite one having a career year and the other a "he stunk" year.

Their on ice value is extremely similar. Zucker is a higher cap hit so that does not help his value to the Pens (as I mentioned, Hornqvist probably only moves for cap reasons). There is simply no way that Zucker = Hornqvist + 1st. Not even Hornqvist + Bellerive. Bjorkqvist+cap difference+Hornqvist's passion more than offsets the age difference. Hornqvist + Bjorkqvist and we can talk. If the Wild want more then they are retaining too.


I tend to agree with you. Also adding to your point, Hornqvist's net front presence is best in the league.
But I just see him primed for a sharp decline (not his fault). Injuries have really been plentiful and unlucky for him last year.

Zucker is younger and has the potential for 60-70 pts (I don't think Hornqvist can do that anymore).
You have to take into account that Zucker has not had a Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin at his centre. He's had the likes of Michael Granlund and Eric Staal.
Zucker to pens makes them more competitive as Hornqvist is likely due for 3rd line minutes this year with ZAR and Simon fighting for a spot on Malkin or Crosby's wing. No offence to Hornqvist but the back-end of that deal is not good. Another big injury could derail Hornqvist an entire season. At some point, his health needs to be priority over playing.
Don't get me wrong, I love horn but if Minnesota is really moving Zucker for less than he's worth, Pens should be all in.

imo, i don't even think what I offered should even net Zucker (Considering they wanted Kessel at first)
Aug. 6, 2019 at 12:31 p.m.
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I tend to agree with you. Also adding to your point, Hornqvist's net front presence is best in the league.
But I just see him primed for a sharp decline (not his fault). Injuries have really been plentiful and unlucky for him last year.

Zucker is younger and has the potential for 60-70 pts (I don't think Hornqvist can do that anymore).
You have to take into account that Zucker has not had a Sidney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin at his centre. He's had the likes of Michael Granlund and Eric Staal.
Zucker to pens makes them more competitive as Hornqvist is likely due for 3rd line minutes this year with ZAR and Simon fighting for a spot on Malkin or Crosby's wing. No offence to Hornqvist but the back-end of that deal is not good. Another big injury could derail Hornqvist an entire season. At some point, his health needs to be priority over playing.
Don't get me wrong, I love horn but if Minnesota is really moving Zucker for less than he's worth, Pens should be all in.

imo, i don't even think what I offered should even net Zucker (Considering they wanted Kessel at first)


The Pens have seen a lot of "potential" came in and not deliver extra servings. The "He could get X points with Crosby or Malkin" has been said many times, baring no fruit. Since he is being discussed, even Hornqvist. If you look at his production in Nashville then his production with Crosby and Malkin... relatively flat.

One thing about Hornqvist is that his ... that what he does is not dependent on skill. Skill goes, skaters slow, reflexes dampen. Hornquist isn't a skill guy, he is not a fast guy, he is not a flash guy. What he does will only stop when an injury says, "that's it, yer dun!"
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Aug. 6, 2019 at 1:05 p.m.
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The Pens have seen a lot of "potential" came in and not deliver extra servings. The "He could get X points with Crosby or Malkin" has been said many times, baring no fruit. Since he is being discussed, even Hornqvist. If you look at his production in Nashville then his production with Crosby and Malkin... relatively flat.

One thing about Hornqvist is that his ... that what he does is not dependent on skill. Skill goes, skaters slow, reflexes dampen. Hornquist isn't a skill guy, he is not a fast guy, he is not a flash guy. What he does will only stop when an injury says, "that's it, yer dun!"


I agree.
I still love him as a player. Hopefully, he stays healthy because he's been great for us.
I would say he's pretty skilled. His net front presence, especially on a PP is huge. Not a lot of players can do that as well as him
 
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