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Laine

Created by: Billy739
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 17, 2019
Published: Aug. 17, 2019
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The difference between top line and third line in Claude Juliens system is 60 seconds . Skaters get their minutes on Special teams but Claude likes to constantly attack his opponents with Speed and Grit .

As time goes on Domi-Poehling-Gallagher and Laine-Kotkanemi -Drouin will takeover top 6 while Danault and Tatar groom Suzuki in their final 2 years before they are UFA and we might loose them .

our 4th line gives us options offensively and defensively with Thompson capable of taking bulk defensive faceoffs at 1000+ he'll rotate in and out with Cousins and Weal as needed .

11m in Laine means no re-signing Tatar or Petry and that keeping Danault and Gallagher only happens if they sign under 7m dollars assuming we continue to inject youth like Ylonen , Ikonen , Olofsson,Evans and whomever we draft in the next 2 years not busting .

WPG gets a high payout even if its not the 4 uncontested 1st's WPG fans expect its a chance to get them if Laine does as much as you will claim that he will for us . that said even without the conditions there is a lot of Quality in this offer allowing WPG a break from cap worries as Caufield's years out from needing any signifigant payout . Lehkonen and Juulsen will have managable salaries to deal with for WPG
Free Agent Signings
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6$11,000,000
Trades
MTL
  1. Laine, Patrik [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
-WPG gaines the guy who just destroyed Phil Kessel's US hockey programs scoring record and pegged to be an elite goal scorer in the NHL making him the logical player to select when dealing a goal scorer like Laine

-Lehkonen fills a role on wing today giving Caufield time to develop. Lehkonen's coming off a career high and is a strong defensive player with good work ethic .

-WPG just lost 2 quality RD so Juulsen adds an injection of youth to the mix behind Byfluglien and Pionik .Juulsen can provide much needed compeitition behind Byfluglien

-guaranteed 1st along with 3 conditional picks that become a 1st each year MTL makes a SCF with Laine providing WPG the insurance needed to risk giving up Laine for to little like EDM did when trading MTL Damphousse before the 1993 SCF
WPG
  1. Caufield, Cole [Reserve List]
  2. Juulsen, Noah
  3. Lehkonen, Artturi
  4. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
  5. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
  6. 2021 2nd round pick (MTL)
  7. 2022 3rd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
-Conditional 2nd in 2020 becomes a 1st if MTL makes SCF with Laine
-Conditional 2nd in 2021 becomes a 1st if mtl makes SCF with Laine

-Conditional 3rd in 2022 becomes a 1st if MTL makes SCF with Laine .
Buyouts
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,863,809$0$3,957,500$636,191
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,800,000$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C
UFA - 3
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$748,333$748,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$795,000$795,000 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
RD
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Aug. 17, 2019 at 7:44 a.m.
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I’d rather Habs just keep Caufield and let him become the big goal scorer than give up those assets and pay Laine that $.
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 8:25 a.m.
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Laine isn't worth that haul
Aug. 17, 2019 at 9:10 a.m.
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That's an over payment for Laine. I have said it in a couple posts but the biggest thing is the fact that Laine is not worth the money he wants, if it was $8 million over 8 years I could live with that but it's likely $8 million on a bridge contract that ends with him making $10-$12 million in 2 years which is to much.
Aug. 17, 2019 at 9:47 a.m.
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Cole Caufield could be just as good as Patrick Laine some day. If i'm Montreal i don't make this trade.
Aug. 17, 2019 at 11:04 a.m.
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Man with all those picks u rather just offersheet him
Aug. 17, 2019 at 9:29 p.m.
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Quoting: wakeman
I’d rather Habs just keep Caufield and let him become the big goal scorer than give up those assets and pay Laine that $.


thats why we cant win a Cup
Aug. 17, 2019 at 9:32 p.m.
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Quoting: beavereater
Man with all those picks u rather just offersheet him


then i wouldnt bother at all as logic dictatate's four 1st rounders > what i offered (to MTL anyways we draft better then WPG the last 3-4 seasons )
especially given how consistent our 1st round selections have been since hiring Eric Crawford out of VAN after he stocked their depth .

caufields the only irreplacable piece we're offering up and we're getting a Superior Goal Scorer who's just 3 years older .
if we want to win a cup this allows us a chance without screwing ourselves long term

offer sheeting Laine at 11m is just something that doesnt make sense on any level if you follow our Draft every season
Aug. 17, 2019 at 9:37 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Cole Caufield could be just as good as Patrick Laine some day. If i'm Montreal i don't make this trade.


Nope

you're saying that the most dominant Goal Scorer since Ovechkin was Drafted who's had no less then 30 -40 goals each season who's in Kotkanemi's Age range and can grow with him is going to be surpassed by a guy who's at Best a Kessel type scorer . (his development in the US system mimicked Kessel even surpassing him by about 20 points to become the top scorer in their system )

Kessel like Caufield is a guy who gets most of his points on the Power Play
6'4 Finnish Winger Laine on the other hand score's most of his goals at even strength and is very consistent overall in his ability to shoot .

this to me is like saying Kessel will surpass Ovechkin one day , its just based on Fantasy Hockey Pools not logic
Aug. 17, 2019 at 10:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
That's an over payment for Laine. I have said it in a couple posts but the biggest thing is the fact that Laine is not worth the money he wants, if it was $8 million over 8 years I could live with that but it's likely $8 million on a bridge contract that ends with him making $10-$12 million in 2 years which is to much.



Laine's 6th in goals scored in his first 3 seasons putting up 110 goals by age 20 with
only Ovechkin and Kucherov far ahead of him at #1 and #2 with
Mcdavid , Tavares and Mathews scoring 1-2 goals more then Laine or he'd be 3rd overall .

look at the 3 names that are in almost an identical Goal Scoring Pace and look at the contracts they just signed

Mcdavid 2 goals more in 4 more games and signed for 12.5m
Tavares 2 goals more in 3 more games and signed for 11m
Mathews 1 goal more in 25 less games and signed for 11.6m
Keeping in mind Laine ''struggled'' last year according to critics or he'd be higher
the other names above were have been consistent each of the past 3 seasons with no major issues
Mcdavid continues to hit new career highs each of the past 3 seasons
yet a 'struggling ' Laine is right on their heels despite the adversity he faced .
if i was him i'd be pissed off to


taking all this into account
Mcdavid no bridge deal
Mathews no bridge signing a 5 year deal taking him into UFA status (which is what Laine should do to get out of WPG as quick as possible like Mathews has set himself up to do )

why fans insist on paying Laine like he's less valuable then his peers is beyond me
Especially when Mathews got that and much more without half the battle Laine's going through


Laine should gets a similar contract to Mathews given he's the only player in Laine's age group who's ahead of him in the top 5 for goal scoring the past 3 years
10.5m on 5 years or 11m on 6 years makes a lot of sense and would allow him like Mathews full control as a UFA next time his contracts up
Aug. 18, 2019 at 8:40 a.m.
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Laine's 6th in goals scored in his first 3 seasons putting up 110 goals by age 20 with
only Ovechkin and Kucherov far ahead of him at #1 and #2 with
Mcdavid , Tavares and Mathews scoring 1-2 goals more then Laine or he'd be 3rd overall .

look at the 3 names that are in almost an identical Goal Scoring Pace and look at the contracts they just signed

Mcdavid 2 goals more in 4 more games and signed for 12.5m
Tavares 2 goals more in 3 more games and signed for 11m
Mathews 1 goal more in 25 less games and signed for 11.6m
Keeping in mind Laine ''struggled'' last year according to critics or he'd be higher
the other names above were have been consistent each of the past 3 seasons with no major issues
Mcdavid continues to hit new career highs each of the past 3 seasons
yet a 'struggling ' Laine is right on their heels despite the adversity he faced .
if i was him i'd be pissed off to


taking all this into account
Mcdavid no bridge deal
Mathews no bridge signing a 5 year deal taking him into UFA status (which is what Laine should do to get out of WPG as quick as possible like Mathews has set himself up to do )

why fans insist on paying Laine like he's less valuable then his peers is beyond me
Especially when Mathews got that and much more without half the battle Laine's going through


Laine should gets a similar contract to Mathews given he's the only player in Laine's age group who's ahead of him in the top 5 for goal scoring the past 3 years
10.5m on 5 years or 11m on 6 years makes a lot of sense and would allow him like Mathews full control as a UFA next time his contracts up


So you list off his goal scoring but ignore the rest of his game. He isnt good 5 on 5, doesnt drive play and needs a set up man to score. His goal scoring numbers are elite but thinking that he does nearly as much on the ice as any of those players is a mistake. Add on the fact that he scores most of his goals on the PP, there's been a reason Maurice had him on the 3rd line but on the 1st powerplay, but you're trying to say he should be paid like one of the top 5 centers in the league is delusional.
 
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