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Back up Goalie

Created by: johnston3504
Initial Creation Date: Dec 9, 2019
Published: Dec 9, 2019 at 7:23 am
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
NYR
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
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  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
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TOR
CBJ
TOR
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
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22$81,500,000$79,614,643$0$202,500$1,885,357
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$792,500
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Dec 9, 2019 at 8:16
#1
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Rangers say no thanks
Dec 9, 2019 at 8:18
#2
Tspky
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change it to a 2nd round pick and that's still a pretty big maybe-- johnsson goes down to a 30 point player on a team that's not the leafs, tampa, boston, etc.
Dec 9, 2019 at 8:29
#3
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If the Leafs give up that much for a backup goalie they're insane, I don't care what Rangers fans have to say. A top-6 forward for a guy who is going to play less than 25% of your games? Ridiculous.

Backup goalie is not this teams biggest issue. Until the team starts to play better consistently upgrading the 2nd goalie won't matter unless you clone Freddie.
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Dec 9, 2019 at 8:38
#4
Tspky
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Quoting: newballcoach
If the Leafs give up that much for a backup goalie they're insane, I don't care what Rangers fans have to say. A top-6 forward for a guy who is going to play less than 25% of your games? Ridiculous.

Backup goalie is not this teams biggest issue. Until the team starts to play better consistently upgrading the 2nd goalie won't matter unless you clone Freddie.


Freddie is already 30 and as a NYR fan I would advise against extending him too long. By the time his deal is up he will be 32 (or almost 32). We've seen this with Hank and how his contract now is a burden given his decline in play. I think it's very interesting that Toronto fans are saying Andersson is playing horribly when he's having the best season of his career stats wise. They just went from an avg of 3.48 goals per game down to 3.22 this year (goals scored that is not goals against).

And just an FYI, NYR are a much worse team than Toronto and Georgievs stats are very similar to Anderssons (andersson has edge in GAA but Georgiev wins Sav%)
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Dec 9, 2019 at 8:45
#5
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the way im looking at it is it will be a good transition player and maybe they could split games like halak and rask do. obviousaly he is a decent goalie and hes young. could be andersons replacement when his contract is up i cant see the leafs extending him due to his age and how much money he is gonna want.
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Dec 9, 2019 at 8:47
#6
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Quoting: Spanky227
Freddie is already 30 and as a NYR fan I would advise against extending him too long. By the time his deal is up he will be 32 (or almost 32). We've seen this with Hank and how his contract now is a burden given his decline in play. I think it's very interesting that Toronto fans are saying Andersson is playing horribly when he's having the best season of his career stats wise. They just went from an avg of 3.48 goals per game down to 3.22 this year (goals scored that is not goals against).

And just an FYI, NYR are a much worse team than Toronto and Georgievs stats are very similar to Anderssons (andersson has edge in GAA but Georgiev wins Sav%)


Nowhere in my post did I say Freddie was bad or "playing horribly." In fact, I said I'd like to clone him and have two. Two is always better than one. His contract extension will be interesting because of his age, but he also has less miles on him at that age then Hank had. So that might help him. Or they might be helping to platoon him more with Joseph Woll, who's the current AHL backup and has some potential to be at least a part-time starter.

I am not saying Georgiev is not good either. He might end up being great. But Toronto doesn't want him as a starter, they want him as a backup. And to trade a top-6 forward for a backup goalie is awful value, no matter how good Rangers fans try to sell everybody on how good Georgiev is and how they should get a first round pick for him. Go ahead and get that, but if Toronto gives it to you I will be pissed.
Dec 9, 2019 at 8:55
#7
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Gee, I take this as Leaf. You have secured the back up position this year and next year. If Georgiev is good enough and really he could be the # 1 in NYR except Lundqvist and his contract is in his way then the Leafs might have their # 1 in 2021/22 when the too expensive Andersson moves on.
Dec 9, 2019 at 9:00
#8
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Edited Dec 9, 2019 at 4:44
Quoting: Spanky227
And just an FYI, NYR are a much worse team than Toronto and Georgievs stats are very similar to Anderssons (andersson has edge in GAA but Georgiev wins Sav%)


He has decent stats overall. What I found interesting was that his GSAA/GP was pretty low-ball things considered. The Rangers play very good infront of him
Dec 9, 2019 at 4:41
#9
Tspky
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Quoting: MacerV
He has decent stats overall. What I found interesting was that his GSAA/GP was pretty low-ball things considered. The Rangers play very good infront of him b


i mean lundqvist is there-- GSAA is a season long stat that builds.. compare him to the rest of the goalies with the same amount of games played and he's in the top (also LQ is there so hence the low amt of starts). I would rather get rid of the king as horrible as that sounds
Dec 9, 2019 at 4:46
#10
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Quoting: Spanky227
i mean lundqvist is there-- GSAA is a season long stat that builds.. compare him to the rest of the goalies with the same amount of games played and he's in the top (also LQ is there so hence the low amt of starts). I would rather get rid of the king as horrible as that sounds


That is why I was interested more in the GSAA per game.
Dec 9, 2019 at 4:59
#11
Tspky
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Quoting: MacerV
That is why I was interested more in the GSAA per game.


I mean he's 10th in the NHL right now with 7.7 with only starting 13 games.
Dec 9, 2019 at 5:09
#12
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Quoting: Spanky227
I mean he's 10th in the NHL right now with 7.7 with only starting 13 games.


Must have had a banger of a game, was sitting at 4.x just a couple days ago. Either way I was looking at the past 3 years.
Dec 9, 2019 at 5:15
#13
Tspky
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Quoting: MacerV
Must have had a banger of a game, was sitting at 4.x just a couple days ago. Either way I was looking at the past 3 years.


His last 4 games in the past 9 days
12/8/19 - W 5-0 Vegas 38 saves
12/6/19 - L 2-1 MTL 33 Saves
12/5/19 - W 3-2 CLS 45 Saves
11/30/19 - W 4-0 NJD 33 Saves

I watched the Vegas, Columbus and New Jersey games -- safe to say that even with Hank in net we wouldn't have won. Look at his highlights from the Columbus game if you want to be amazed
Dec 9, 2019 at 5:39
#14
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Quoting: Spanky227
His last 4 games in the past 9 days
12/8/19 - W 5-0 Vegas 38 saves
12/6/19 - L 2-1 MTL 33 Saves
12/5/19 - W 3-2 CLS 45 Saves
11/30/19 - W 4-0 NJD 33 Saves

I watched the Vegas, Columbus and New Jersey games -- safe to say that even with Hank in net we wouldn't have won. Look at his highlights from the Columbus game if you want to be amazed


What site is using CLS as the Columbus abbreviation I need to block them immediately.
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Dec 9, 2019 at 5:53
#15
Tspky
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Quoting: MacerV
What site is using CLS as the Columbus abbreviation I need to block them immediately.


lmao i just got lazy after i started to type the whole name out
 
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